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hey everybody welcome to epic voyages

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radio and thank you for joining us

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around this paranormal campfire my name

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is Alan B Smith and I'm your guest host

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tonight and my guests later on is Jim

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Mars author of Ellen agenda and our

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coltd history but before we get into the

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amazing Jim Marrs I just wanna give a

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couple of interesting updates that I'd

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come across on the old internet from

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above top-secret comm via UFO case

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book.com there's a really really

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interesting video just a quick quote

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from the site a youtube UFO hunter

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claims he found an old nasa video clip

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from the 1971 Apollo 15 mission which

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shows a flying saucer UFO presumably an

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alien UFO parked on the lunar surface

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apparently observing the Apollo 15 moon

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landing I'm going to put that link in

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the chat room for y'all to see because

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it's really fascinating generally I'm a

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little little skeptic about a lot of the

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the photos and videos that are taken

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from Moon and Mars and artifacts I tend

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to lean on The Skeptical side there's

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definitely some some really great stuff

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out there but I think there's a lot of

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stuff out there that admittedly I I

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think that I'm still completely

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open-minded I think is is some wishful

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thinking but this is really really cool

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this will blow your mind I think if you

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take a look at it also earth flag from

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the Smithsonian calm and I'll if you

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guys heard about this but there's this

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ongoing discussion about creating a flag

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for Earth to represent earth in all its

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people and just quick quote from that

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article quote astronauts have planted

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six u.s. flags on the moon but earth is

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divided into nearly 200 individual

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countries in the event that an

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extraterrestrial group stumbled upon the

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flags of Earth's resident countries out

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in solar system things could get a

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little confusing one graphic designer

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has a solution why not devise a flag to

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represent planet earth and all its

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residents now while the idea might seem

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like it's from outer space the premise

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of intergalactic organizations uniting

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under one banner is quite common in

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book series has the Terran Federation

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the Rebel Alliance and so why shouldn't

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we have our own flag it's a really

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interesting article and again I'll post

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that link right now into the chatroom if

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you guys wanna gonna check that out

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yes so again thank you for being with us

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we want to encourage you to go to our

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epic YouTube channel and check out all

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the amazing videos there Jim Marrs is

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presentations dr. ray lewis and so many

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can go there we could definitely use

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or radio so and actually I think a few

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for the Instagram account will be in the

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chat room tonight I don't think they're

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here yet but I'm looking for them rhino

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are out there at least listening and if

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show feel free to use the chat room to

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post all your questions we can also dial

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right so our guest Jim Marrs Jim Marrs

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is sort of like the real-life x-files

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sure all of you are really excited about

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the x-files if you haven't heard yet I

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know I'm totally ecstatic and I know dr.

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Laura Blythe tag is is a huge fan of the

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x-files as well so the good news is it's

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definitely happening in I believe

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January 24th will be the air date and

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actually I'll be doing a show August

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10th with the author of behind the

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science of the x-files and behind the

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signs of Star Wars - awesome

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awesome science fiction chronicles that

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we all love so I think you'll love that

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show but anyway back to Jim so Jim Marrs

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doesn't really need introduction but you

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know what I'm gonna go ahead and give

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him traduction anyway just in case

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there's somebody out there that hasn't

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heard of Jim so Jim is a native of Fort

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Worth Texas he's earned a Bachelor of

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Arts degrees in journalism from the

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University of North Texas in 1966 and

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attended graduate school at Texas Tech's

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in Lubbock for two years more he has

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worked for several Texas newspapers

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including the Fort Worth star-telegram

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where beginning in 1968 he served as

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police reporter and general assignments

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reporter covering stories locally in

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Europe and the Middle East after a leave

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of absence to serve with a fourth Army

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Intelligence Unit during the Vietnam War

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he became military and aerospace writer

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for the newspaper and an investigative

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since 1980 mr. Mars has been a freelance

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writer author and public relations

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consultant Mars has authored over 10

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books including crossfire the plot that

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killed Kennedy above top secret and his

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new book which I know dr. Laura Blythe

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tagged will be covering in July on July

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6 and that new book is population

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control how corporations are killing us

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but tonight we're gonna focus on two of

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his classics as I would call it alien

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agenda and our quilted history Jim

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welcome to the show hey Allen it's great

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to be with you and all my friends in

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that great epic organization yeah it's

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my honor to have you on I'm really

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excited about this and I wanted to go

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back to alien agenda again because this

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whole x-files obsession that I have that

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came out in I believe 97 and that was at

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the height of the x-files when I was

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really really entrenched in all things

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you have phone conspiracies and I think

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so much of what you discuss in that book

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is so prevalent now and I think with the

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release of the x-files coming out again

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so many more people are going to go out

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to the store and pick up that book

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because it explains the real-life story

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that the x-files has built it's

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mythology around

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you know I think fashion stories around

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these incidents and yeah I'm kind of

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honored to realize that this late date

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that everything that I'm putting there

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in in the 1990s is still very valid in

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fact there's only a handful of things

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such as well I think the Phoenix flyover

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happened that very summers as an agenda

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was being published and then of course

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we've got the Stephenville thing back

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man 2013 and then there was a incident

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over O'Hare Airport but with those few

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exceptions I think that everything in my

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book I mean an agenda is pretty much up

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to date and and is still being studied

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by students of the UFOs in fact I've

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been told that my book alien agenda is

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now the top-selling nonfiction book on

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UFOs in the world because it's been

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translated into about a dozen languages

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yeah and in the world of ufology I mean

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you know there's a few names out there

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that everybody knows and yours is

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definitely on the top of the list and I

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just think it's testament to the work

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that you've done you know you you really

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helped legitimize I think the you know

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the ufologist you know and people people

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who didn't even use that term some time

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ago and now people use it confidently

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you know I'm a florist and I think you

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helped us buy legitimacy that's true I

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have seen over my lifetime and over my

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professional career

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and today as you say you apologist UFO

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mythology people just kind of yeah

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except that is at least a legitimate

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topic of conversation if not their firm

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belief you're and when you mention the

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x-files I got to tell you one of the

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things that really sticks in my mind is

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was Chris Carter and in 2001 March early

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the 3rd 2001 Chris Carter put a pilot on

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TV and it was a spinoff of the x-files

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about the the three computer geeks you

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know that the lone gunman yeah and since

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Scully and Mulder they really didn't

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come up with anything on their own they

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mostly were told stuff by the lone

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gunman and then they went out and did

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the the gumshoe work to prove it all up

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or disprove it well so in March a third

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of 2001 they put out this pilot for the

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lone gunman and in it it's incredible

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one of the lone gunman Father they

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thought got killed in a car crash and it

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turned out that no he hadn't actually

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died and in fact they caught up with him

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and it turns out that the Hitman had

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come and tried to kill him but he got

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the drop on the man and managed to kill

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him and then to cover his tracks and to

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protect himself he took the half man put

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him in his car crashed it into an

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embankment or whatever set on fire so

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that everybody think he was dead and of

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course the lone gunman son says well you

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know why why would you want people to

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think you're dead he said because

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they're still after me for what I what I

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know he says well what do you know he

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says well I know what's going on with

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the government he says yeah but you work

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for the government he said that's right

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that's why I know this stuff and it

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turns out what did he know and why were

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they trying to kill him because he knew

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that people within the defense

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intelligence community were planning to

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hijack a commercial airliner using

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computer capture Global Hawk technology

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do this under the guise of a military

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exercise and then guide the airplane

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into one of the World Trade Centers to

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blow it up the blame of Middle Eastern

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terrorists so they could get their

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budget increased yeah and I tell me I'm

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telling you this was done months before

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the 9/11 attacks on September the 11th

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what happened yeah well a lot of people

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actually attribute the show going off

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the air because of the conspiracy aspect

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of non gunmen and you know everything in

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those shows the x-files and lone gunman

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fringe later on I mean they were basing

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all their stories on real life factual

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exactly and so I think there is in this

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case though it's kind of Pro fake you

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know and it makes you wonder who where

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some of these writers are getting their

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inspiration are they truly just dreaming

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up these wild plots or do they have a

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pipeline and actually here what's gonna

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go on well I can't speak for a lot of

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shows out there but for the x-files

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there's definitely intelligent writers

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in the show you know there yeah yeah

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that they they really do some good

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digging and everything they say I said

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at the time was was revelant to what was

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going on in the real world you know and

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it's actually it's really interesting

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that well interesting and maybe not the

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best word but you know this is this idea

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of keeping this secrecy keeping all this

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under wraps my love of my life and I we

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actually went to new four with a little

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help of Peter Davenport and we

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calculated that approximately since 1561

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up until now there's been ninety seven

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thousand UFOs reported in the US and

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just the US and Canada so it's a wonder

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that that people think that they can

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really keep this a secret

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do you know hey it's a wonder that

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they're trying so hard so Jim I guess my

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leading question is why why are they

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trying so hard well first off they can't

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keep it a secret and and you can go back

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to you can take 9/11 you can go back to

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the Kennedy assassination they can't

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keep it's not like there's a lack of

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information okay and which is usually

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what we think of as a cover-up is when

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you can't get to the information but and

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those instances isn't many others and

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UFOs the same way it's not a question of

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no information it's a question of

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obfuscation okay if they can muddy the

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if they can just keep everybody confused

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then that's the cover-up okay because if

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everybody's confused then you have

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controversy you have controversy then

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everybody squabbles with everybody else

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and nothing gets done about it well then

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that's what they've done with UFOs I

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mean all the way back in fifties if you

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actually check the the information and

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went back and studied the history and

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everything else you quickly came to the

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understanding the efo for real but you

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couldn't tell the general public that

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because every time they listened to the

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TV or the radio the announcement snicker

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snicker snicker and they got the idea

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that it was just not a legitimate topic

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of conversation in fact Allen I can

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remember when one of the primary

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arguments against the reality of UFOs

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was that there were no such things and

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there was nothing like that in the sky

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they were simply hallucinations or

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perhaps some kind of mass psychosis and

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of course even as a young journalist I

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thought wow a heretofore unknown

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undiagnosed contagious mass psychosis

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what a story yeah but obviously you

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don't hear that anymore because with the

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advent of the camcorder and the the cell

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phone camera you can't take a picture of

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a psychosis or I'll lose the nation so

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that arguments over with they're real

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they're here and so we need to start

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thinking with that fact alone and like

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okay who are they were they from as you

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I'm sure well-known and most epic people

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know the UFO issue is nothing new it

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didn't start in 1947 it didn't even

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start in 1897 with the Aurora spaceship

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crash or the great airship mystery of

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1896 it goes all the way back to the

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earliest writings the Vedas of the

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Hindus that talk about those by omens

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the flying machines it could destroy a

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city with a single blast you've got the

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the Sumerians of ancient Sumer which

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predates the Egyptians predates the

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Bible by

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thousands of years and they were talking

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about people that were flying around in

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the sky and that came and landed and

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taught on thing and then you even go to

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the Bible of the Old Testament you got a

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Zico you know who says the fiery wheel

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came and it lifted him up and it took

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him somewhere and it let him off in a

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city and you know obviously he's talking

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about some material thing he didn't say

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that you know that I was eating

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mushrooms and had a vision he says but

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he did call it a vision of God because

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he couldn't explain what it was so

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anyway this is a phenomena that's been

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with us you know from millennia we can

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we can circle around back to that and

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then get to the why a little later but

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um I think let's let's start with Donald

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keyhole major Donald keyhole I think

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that he's at his opponent story because

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what happened to Donald keyhole

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parallels the ongoing debunking battle

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between you know over the decades the

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new and the modern investigators and

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believers and can you just take us back

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to Donald Kehoe and just and just give

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us a little enlightenment on that well

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that goes all the way back and you gotta

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understand that in the late 40s early

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50s when the whole UFO topic began to

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reach public consciousness there was

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there was actually a greater acceptance

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they I think most people kind of went

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yeah there's something going on here it

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took a real concerted effort on the part

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of the federal government the United

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States to to slow that down and to to

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distract it and derail it in fact are

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you aware of what I consider the UFO war

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of about 1952 and about the time of the

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Washington DC flyover if a military put

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out orders and said you know if you see

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a UFO fire on it well they did or they

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tried to and what happened over the

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space of several months almost a year

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there was a rash of airline crash

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and it was almost and of course nobody

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was they weren't putting it in this

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context but to me it's when the military

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was trying to shoot down UFOs they began

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to shoot back and they begin to shoot

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airliners and these things were crashing

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all over the place and then apparently

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cooler heads prevailed and all of a

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sudden the military sent out the orders

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okay do not shoot UFOs said just simply

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report them and at that point these this

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rash of airline crashes stopped and so I

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myself figure that's that was the

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beginning of a covert UFO war and Kehoe

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and the members of these early

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organizations that were look into that

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we're getting real serious about this

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but unfortunately of course at the same

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time the government was taking steps to

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to institute a policy of denial and

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ridicule which has been until recently

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was quite effective and keeping people

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quiet about UFOs the basic idea was is

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that there's nothing there okay and if

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you persist and saying that there is

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something there then you know you

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probably need psychiatric help and even

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to this very day I run across people who

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tell me incredible stories when I say

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why didn't you have you told make that

447
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public er you told anybody about that

448
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they go no no no I didn't want ridicule

449
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so the the government laid that down as

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an official policy and it was quite

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effective right up until just within the

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past I don't know five or ten years I

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suppose right but before that I mean

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there was actually a period where there

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was no silence policy people apply about

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it openly that's very cool

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that's when Kehoe published his book on

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the UFO conspiracy and others and

459
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actually was trying to point readers to

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be to the actual information that was

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available

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right right right and then and then and

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then there was a people's Curtis Peebles

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who

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sort of became his arch enemy I think

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right he came along he came along a

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little bit later I think and he took

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people stood upon himself to to be the

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head debunker and no matter what it was

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that he always had some excuse for you

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know what it was going to be in fact I

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addressed that somewhat yeah I know when

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I wrote alien agenda I took some of

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people's most blatant examples of

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nothing their folks and and pretty well

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turned it on him because he obviously I

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had an agenda and his agenda was to

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debunk UFOs the same way with Edward

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Condon who was in charge of the common

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report there at the University of

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Colorado and he supposedly was doing

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this great steady on UFOs and yet I've

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talked to people who worked with him and

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they said he made no bones about it he

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said my job is to debunk UFOs the report

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was around what's 1970 72 1669 I believe

487
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yeah six nights it was a year-long study

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or was a little longer than that got a

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little bit longer than that but it never

490
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was a steady it was just but that was

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even then his own report it was was

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trying to debunk UFOs nevertheless

493
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admitted that there were several dozen

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cases that they could not truly explain

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and that's really saying something

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because they went to great lengths to

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debunk almost any sighting huh for

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example if they said they had the

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experience saw this UFO and they say you

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know what direction was him well it was

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in the West they go oh well then that

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was Venus you know and they would just

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go for the simplest quickest answer

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rather than get serious about

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investigating UFOs well yeah the before

506
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all that fear-mongering happened there

507
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was the US meteorologist dr. James E

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McDonald who told a congressional

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committee quote I must stress that much

510
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checking on my part has convinced me

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that Kehoe's repertory all accuracy was

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uniformly high as rural island did rely

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of

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ability must be recognized as impressive

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there's nowhere to get a meteorologist

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to say that today no they won't even

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admit that chemtrails are up there and

518
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yet all you have to do is look see the

519
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difference between a con condensation

520
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trail which evaporates fairly quickly

521
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and then on chem trail which goes from

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Ryan's horizon does not dissipate yeah I

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interviewed J Allen Hynek one time and

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there's another good case he starts off

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working for the government and he

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basically tried to debunk UFOs there was

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a thing up in Illinois I guess or no

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Michigan Michigan and that was cited at

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some girls college in the administrators

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and teachers and the students and they

531
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all saw this thing and they were all

532
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telling very spectacular stories about

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it

534
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so Hynek goes up there and he's the one

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who made the famous press conference and

536
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said that what they had seen was swamp

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gas and they're so incensed their

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Congressman Jarrell our forward that

539
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Ford got up and said he was going to

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launch a congressional investigation

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into UFOs but apparently somebody got to

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him because he never did follow through

543
00:25:31,420 --> 00:25:28,430
on that and but he was well rewarded

544
00:25:34,330 --> 00:25:31,430
because he became our only unelected

545
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:34,340
president sure well in Hynek I mean that

546
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:36,410
the the whole swamp gas thing you know I

547
00:25:41,410 --> 00:25:37,850
obviously haunted him for a long time

548
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:41,420
but he actually didn't say it wasn't in

549
00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:43,490
the report that that was the cause it

550
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:45,020
was a part of a list of possibilities

551
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:46,850
and they just picked that one out right

552
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:50,240
and then and right well the people who

553
00:25:56,530 --> 00:25:53,840
had had the experience I knew excuse me

554
00:26:00,220 --> 00:25:56,540
they knew it wasn't swamp gas

555
00:26:03,070 --> 00:26:00,230
and you're right I think Hynek came to

556
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:03,080
regret his role and trying to debunk

557
00:26:07,420 --> 00:26:04,970
UFOs because I know by the time I

558
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:07,430
interviewed you he had already he was

559
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:11,050
already writing a probe UFO books and

560
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:14,650
getting that the government had been

561
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:19,710
skewing the evidence no against so then

562
00:26:25,410 --> 00:26:24,070
okay so we've got Kehoe so I hey I think

563
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,420
that should tell us something right

564
00:26:29,910 --> 00:26:28,000
there the J Allen Hynek a very

565
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:29,920
respectable scientist who is hired by

566
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:32,940
the government basically to debunk UFOs

567
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:35,710
eventually comes around to saying that's

568
00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:36,970
what they're trying to do and it's not

569
00:26:39,660 --> 00:26:38,470
right because there's something very

570
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,670
real going-over

571
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:41,440
right well the trigger for that - for

572
00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:43,450
him was the Condon report I think I

573
00:26:49,770 --> 00:26:48,190
think that that once he saw the reality

574
00:26:54,540 --> 00:26:49,780
of what was what was going on and the

575
00:26:56,610 --> 00:26:54,550
the misuse of and information where they

576
00:26:58,170 --> 00:26:56,620
were actually holding back some of the

577
00:27:00,330 --> 00:26:58,180
better reports I think the Project Blue

578
00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:00,340
Book was doing a similar thing they held

579
00:27:04,860 --> 00:27:02,680
back the better reports and only

580
00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:04,870
reported on the ones that were you know

581
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:06,990
more easily they could explain yeah

582
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:09,970
exactly that's that's that's what I'm

583
00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:12,490
saying it was not an investigation it

584
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:14,800
was just a government pronouncement and

585
00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:19,270
erroneous one at that yeah okay so so

586
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,220
you have that this you know earlier

587
00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:23,440
generation let's say you know early

588
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:26,260
nineteen hundreds up until the beginning

589
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:28,810
of the 50s where there was an open

590
00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:30,370
dialogue I mean the the public

591
00:27:34,830 --> 00:27:33,100
newspapers were reporting on this and it

592
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:34,840
wasn't it wasn't necessarily taboo even

593
00:27:39,420 --> 00:27:36,120
the military

594
00:27:41,550 --> 00:27:39,430
it wasn't taboo yet and then so that

595
00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:41,560
that transition where it was shoot them

596
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,470
down - they don't exist what what why

597
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,320
would they do that why what's the reason

598
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:52,480
for them to say okay we need to make

599
00:28:01,530 --> 00:27:55,810
this hush-hush well I think it's pretty

600
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:01,540
simple it's because what is the purpose

601
00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:04,090
of government okay are they relevant and

602
00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:05,830
do we really want government there so

603
00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:07,870
they can keep taxing us more and more

604
00:28:13,020 --> 00:28:10,870
so then keep curtailing our liberties so

605
00:28:16,350 --> 00:28:13,030
they can keep you know lording over us

606
00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:16,360
no no the basic excuse for government is

607
00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:19,420
for the common defense okay the

608
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:21,880
government will defend you well if they

609
00:28:25,530 --> 00:28:24,130
admit these things are flying around and

610
00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:25,540
particularly that they're flying over

611
00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:28,180
our military installations and in fact

612
00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:30,950
back a 60s and early 70s they repair

613
00:28:36,669 --> 00:28:33,230
were messing with our nuclear launch

614
00:28:38,919 --> 00:28:36,679
codes well then you know that's that's

615
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:38,929
hostile and yet there's nothing we can

616
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,610
do about it well if there's nothing we

617
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:42,320
can do about it and these things can fly

618
00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:44,570
through our airspace airspace unhindered

619
00:28:48,940 --> 00:28:47,000
then why do we need the military why do

620
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:48,950
we need to keep paying more taxes to the

621
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:53,809
government they can't not admit that

622
00:28:59,710 --> 00:28:57,049
yeah so you have to understand that up

623
00:29:01,720 --> 00:28:59,720
until fairly recently the intelligence

624
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:01,730
agencies and the military have been on

625
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:04,370
the control of people with a world war

626
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,190
two mindset you know the enemies are out

627
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:09,200
there we got a protected country and

628
00:29:13,330 --> 00:29:11,210
it's up to the military and the

629
00:29:15,639 --> 00:29:13,340
intelligence agencies to do whatever

630
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:15,649
they can to protect the country and I'm

631
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:17,630
reminding you of an interview I had with

632
00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:21,529
Colonel Corso who wrote the book today

633
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,409
after Roswell and kind of broke the

634
00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:26,960
story on how that we've gotten alien

635
00:29:31,389 --> 00:29:29,029
technology and had fitted into our

636
00:29:33,310 --> 00:29:31,399
military industrial complex but when I

637
00:29:36,370 --> 00:29:33,320
was talking to Colonel core so I said

638
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,380
well Colonel I said I said you know the

639
00:29:42,340 --> 00:29:39,200
tone of your book is that these UFOs are

640
00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:42,350
hostile you know and that we need to be

641
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:45,860
worried if not amendable to them I said

642
00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:48,289
why do you think they want to consider

643
00:29:53,409 --> 00:29:51,350
them enemies or hostile he says well

644
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,419
they would fly over our military

645
00:29:59,710 --> 00:29:55,279
installations we'd order him stop and

646
00:30:01,870 --> 00:29:59,720
they wouldn't stop you know laughs I

647
00:30:03,810 --> 00:30:01,880
laugh but you know he said that all

648
00:30:06,820 --> 00:30:03,820
seriousness that was yeah yeah that's

649
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,830
world war ii military industrial

650
00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:08,720
thinking you know if you don't stop and

651
00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:11,630
you're in your you're wrong and yet I

652
00:30:15,789 --> 00:30:13,220
can't help think I don't know about you

653
00:30:19,210 --> 00:30:15,799
Alan but I'm thinking back in the 60s

654
00:30:21,310 --> 00:30:19,220
70s when there are documented instances

655
00:30:23,950 --> 00:30:21,320
of UFOs coming over some of our nikkor

656
00:30:26,139 --> 00:30:23,960
facilities and and apparently messing

657
00:30:28,779 --> 00:30:26,149
with the launch codes for those nuclear

658
00:30:31,299 --> 00:30:28,789
ICBM missiles I'm thinking you know

659
00:30:35,710 --> 00:30:31,309
perhaps there's they were saving us from

660
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:35,720
blowing ourselves up yeah yeah and I

661
00:30:39,369 --> 00:30:37,130
understand that point of view but I I

662
00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:39,379
also wonder you know if we can draw a

663
00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:42,740
parallel to the the Cold War it was the

664
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,390
fact that we knew

665
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:47,120
the Russians had advanced technology was

666
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:49,210
the fact that we knew that they had

667
00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:52,010
nuclear capabilities that the government

668
00:30:56,770 --> 00:30:53,870
just like nine I know laughter 9/11 the

669
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:56,780
government used that to get more money

670
00:31:00,910 --> 00:30:58,450
to pump more money into the

671
00:31:02,410 --> 00:31:00,920
military-industrial complex so you would

672
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:02,420
think that this other threat would be

673
00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:04,310
just one more reason like hey we need to

674
00:31:09,550 --> 00:31:07,460
you know we need to pump more money and

675
00:31:12,460 --> 00:31:09,560
we don't you know you're comparing a

676
00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:12,470
known threat with an unknown threat in

677
00:31:17,650 --> 00:31:14,750
fact I would disagree with you on this

678
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:17,660
knowledge during the Cold War you know I

679
00:31:22,510 --> 00:31:20,450
did a book called sigh spies this the

680
00:31:25,390 --> 00:31:22,520
true story of America's psychic warfare

681
00:31:27,940 --> 00:31:25,400
program this is where that our military

682
00:31:30,670 --> 00:31:27,950
was experimenting with and then using

683
00:31:33,010 --> 00:31:30,680
operationally the psychic ability known

684
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:33,020
as remote viewing okay we're there other

685
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:36,110
Minds out and we'll get to that in a

686
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,310
minute there's an interesting thing

687
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:39,200
there because they all went out looking

688
00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:42,410
for Russian or Chinese super weapons and

689
00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:45,260
they found UFOs but my point is is that

690
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:47,720
I think the Cold War actually was built

691
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:51,530
on secrecy we didn't know for sure what

692
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:53,240
the Russians had we know they had some

693
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,770
advanced stuff we know they were the

694
00:31:59,050 --> 00:31:57,200
first into space and so we were very

695
00:32:01,090 --> 00:31:59,060
concerned but we didn't know for sure

696
00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:01,100
what they had and they certainly didn't

697
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,230
know for sure what we had and as a

698
00:32:07,690 --> 00:32:05,120
result I personally happen to believe

699
00:32:10,210 --> 00:32:07,700
that the Cold War ended largely because

700
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:10,220
of this psychic warfare program because

701
00:32:15,010 --> 00:32:12,590
they have documented this proving it up

702
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,020
and used it operationally to spy on each

703
00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:16,880
other what happened was the Russians

704
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:19,580
also had their remote viewers but they

705
00:32:25,210 --> 00:32:23,570
were called extra censors and they both

706
00:32:27,130 --> 00:32:25,220
sides were looking to see what the other

707
00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:27,140
one had and they all found out the truth

708
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:29,270
and we found out the Russians didn't

709
00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:33,110
weren't near as militarily advanced as

710
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:34,430
we thought they were and they certainly

711
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:36,650
didn't have any depth and then they

712
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:38,570
found out that we had everything we said

713
00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:40,850
we had plus more plus working on more

714
00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:44,120
stuff and so with the secrecy ended so

715
00:32:49,030 --> 00:32:45,980
did the Cold War you know there's just

716
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:49,040
never mind go do something else and they

717
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:52,130
did so perhaps then they could have

718
00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:54,950
thought because like you said you know

719
00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:56,780
we don't know what this is perhaps

720
00:33:00,260 --> 00:32:57,720
they're thinking

721
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:00,270
was let's keep it a secret because if we

722
00:33:04,420 --> 00:33:01,950
can capture this technology we don't

723
00:33:06,620 --> 00:33:04,430
want anyone to know what we've captured

724
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:06,630
exactly it's a potential military

725
00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:09,450
weaponry okay and that's been a big part

726
00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:11,150
of it but then I will tell you what my

727
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:14,160
overlaying reason for the secrecy of

728
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:18,480
UFOs to my mind is because of what I

729
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:20,970
would call the globalist actually that's

730
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:23,310
their self-styled globalist they call

731
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:25,410
themselves globalist and these are

732
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:26,910
people who are so wealthy that they

733
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:29,730
consider their business playing field

734
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:33,690
the entire world okay and they look on

735
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:35,310
Paul in the United States is simply a

736
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:38,250
not so profitable branch of their world

737
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,090
holdings and I think they are the ones

738
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:43,440
because they're the ones who actually

739
00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:45,000
can run the government and learn the

740
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:47,070
economies they were in the banking

741
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:49,110
systems and they run Wall Street and

742
00:33:54,050 --> 00:33:50,850
then they were unwashed and they run the

743
00:33:55,610 --> 00:33:54,060
Kremlin and these are the I don't know

744
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:55,620
some people call them the New World

745
00:34:02,750 --> 00:33:58,770
Order people but the point is is that

746
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:02,760
they owe their power to their wealth and

747
00:34:06,740 --> 00:34:04,440
they owe their wealth to their

748
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:06,750
monopolies over energy

749
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:09,440
telecommunications transportation

750
00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:12,480
pharmaceuticals and I don't think they

751
00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:15,320
truly care if we know that there's

752
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:17,550
extraterrestrials visiting the earth or

753
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:19,650
that there's aliens although the world's

754
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:21,270
out there they don't care about that but

755
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:23,910
what they care about is that if we know

756
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:26,910
for certain that there's a spacecraft

757
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:29,610
able able to travel from other galaxies

758
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:32,010
or other solar systems and then we're

759
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:34,110
gonna know for sure that there's

760
00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:36,770
alternative technologies out there and

761
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:39,480
we're going to not continue to pay

762
00:34:45,860 --> 00:34:42,090
increasing prices for petroleum-based

763
00:34:49,220 --> 00:34:45,870
fuels and for pharmaceuticals etc etc

764
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:49,230
because we would know that there are

765
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:52,440
alternatives to their monopolies right

766
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,210
right and if you're just tuning in this

767
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:56,220
is a epic voyages radio I'm your host

768
00:35:01,820 --> 00:34:58,500
Alan Smith and we are with the great Jim

769
00:35:03,860 --> 00:35:01,830
Marrs tonight Jim going back to one of

770
00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:03,870
your points neutron in the chat room he

771
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:05,070
wanted to ask a question

772
00:35:09,980 --> 00:35:08,010
he said Jim why did Russia always fail

773
00:35:11,849 --> 00:35:09,990
any attempts to go to the moon in your

774
00:35:14,609 --> 00:35:11,859
opinion

775
00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:14,619
well first off we don't know for sure

776
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:16,150
that they fail

777
00:35:21,329 --> 00:35:18,250
we simply have not been told that they

778
00:35:23,250 --> 00:35:21,339
succeeded in fact that there is some

779
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,260
evidence that they may have actually

780
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:26,079
launched some moon probes but maybe they

781
00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:28,390
they didn't they failed and they didn't

782
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:30,940
quite make it and so they they it was

783
00:35:35,099 --> 00:35:33,010
such a closed society in the Soviet

784
00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:35,109
Union that you know rather than admit

785
00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:37,300
failure then they just won't admit that

786
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:39,220
anything like that happened but

787
00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:42,010
basically your in your opinion you think

788
00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:44,200
that maybe a proven not necessarily a

789
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:47,980
man mission has made it there it's it's

790
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:50,740
possible that so many things are

791
00:35:58,290 --> 00:35:52,690
possible I mean you know there's even

792
00:36:01,170 --> 00:35:58,300
questions about Apollo 11 you know on

793
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:01,180
the list of which is if that happened if

794
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,510
that in 1969 we landed Armstrong on the

795
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:06,640
moon you know that was one of the

796
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:10,240
greatest leaps for mankind in history

797
00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:13,390
and yet NASA said they they lost all the

798
00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:14,740
films for that they don't have that

799
00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:16,060
anymore we didn't think that was that

800
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:19,030
important what give me a break

801
00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:21,790
so wait a minute what was all this mean

802
00:36:29,250 --> 00:36:25,020
and even now you know apparent I mean

803
00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:29,260
officially we made six trips of men but

804
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,030
I can I'm old enough to remember before

805
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,040
we went to the moon the whole talk was

806
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,200
this is that we were going to colonize

807
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:37,359
the moon we're gonna set their colony we

808
00:36:41,819 --> 00:36:38,950
were going to mine the minerals on the

809
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:41,829
moon and they were gonna pay for the

810
00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:44,170
space program and we're gonna use the

811
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,060
moon as a launching point to then go on

812
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,119
to Mars or have colonies on Mars and

813
00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:51,760
being certain all of a sudden is that

814
00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:53,980
never mind about that oh it's just dead

815
00:36:58,589 --> 00:36:56,470
world we don't wanna go there even

816
00:37:00,359 --> 00:36:58,599
though they had it makes sense that the

817
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:00,369
on the front of it because it's it's a

818
00:37:05,010 --> 00:37:03,190
return of investment yeah well that's it

819
00:37:08,309 --> 00:37:05,020
they would have gotten a return but no

820
00:37:10,349 --> 00:37:08,319
we didn't go back in fact in fact they

821
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:10,359
said they said well it's just too

822
00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:11,890
expensive so we're not gonna do that

823
00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:13,630
it's and there's nothing there

824
00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:17,260
and supposedly we've never gone back and

825
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:20,740
yet they had 22 of those Atlas Rockets

826
00:37:24,010 --> 00:37:22,750
that put our guys on the moon they had

827
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,020
them all ready to go

828
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:26,960
so it's it's kind of it's a situation

829
00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:30,050
kind of like you you build a Rolls Royce

830
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:32,270
in your garage but then you don't drive

831
00:37:35,970 --> 00:37:33,890
it because you can't afford the gasoline

832
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:35,980
you know it's it doesn't make sense

833
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:38,480
frankly I think we were warned off the

834
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:40,490
moon I think we're quarantined here on

835
00:37:48,359 --> 00:37:42,770
earth until we can get our act together

836
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,369
and and be good members of a galactic

837
00:37:53,290 --> 00:37:50,000
community

838
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:53,300
yeah well that's that link that I put up

839
00:37:58,810 --> 00:37:56,480
there in the chat room this video from

840
00:38:03,070 --> 00:37:58,820
NASA stock footage from the Apollo 15

841
00:38:04,810 --> 00:38:03,080
it's it's it's crazy it was one of those

842
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:04,820
fun those videos where it just really

843
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:08,930
stopped me in my tracks it was so to me

844
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:13,310
so clear a non-natural object in the

845
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:14,930
background and it looked almost exactly

846
00:38:23,859 --> 00:38:21,890
like a saucer UFO it was crazy I think

847
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,869
the question is though is that truly an

848
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,000
alien ship or could that be one of our

849
00:38:29,890 --> 00:38:27,680
secret stuff that we're not talking

850
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:29,900
about I'm sure you've heard the argument

851
00:38:36,820 --> 00:38:33,710
about the the presence of a secret space

852
00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:36,830
fleet you know and there's no question

853
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:39,160
that we've had billions if not trillions

854
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:43,280
of dollars you know missing okay in fact

855
00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:46,490
the day before the 9/11 attacks Donald

856
00:38:51,130 --> 00:38:48,380
Rumsfeld announced that the Pentagon

857
00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:51,140
could not account for 2.3 trillion

858
00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:53,630
dollars which was like four or five

859
00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:56,420
times more than what that yearly defense

860
00:39:01,450 --> 00:38:58,970
budget was now that's a whole pot load

861
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:01,460
of money where does that money go to you

862
00:39:13,540 --> 00:39:10,960
know this there's all this money and all

863
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:13,550
of this effort and yet at a time when

864
00:39:17,530 --> 00:39:15,710
there's on two point three trade missing

865
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:17,540
that it was just at one year and there's

866
00:39:22,810 --> 00:39:19,850
been more since then or is it all going

867
00:39:24,609 --> 00:39:22,820
to it's not going to rebuild the

868
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:24,619
infrastructure of this country because

869
00:39:32,349 --> 00:39:28,730
the American civil engineer Society

870
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:32,359
gives gives our infrastructure a grade

871
00:39:36,780 --> 00:39:35,210
of D plus you know we did we got

872
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:36,790
buildings and

873
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:39,250
bridges and dams and roads that are all

874
00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:40,870
deteriorating and they don't seem to

875
00:39:44,970 --> 00:39:43,030
have the money to fix those but we got

876
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:44,980
these trillions that go missing and of

877
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:46,750
course that kind of brings us to the

878
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,320
theory of alternative three which is

879
00:39:57,540 --> 00:39:53,680
that the wealthy elite are preparing to

880
00:40:02,100 --> 00:39:57,550
go offworld if natural disasters or war

881
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:02,110
starts well the mainstream media in your

882
00:40:07,290 --> 00:40:03,910
memory do they ever get back to that

883
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:07,300
Ronald rums Donald Rumsfeld statement

884
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:09,010
about millions of dollars they never got

885
00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:09,610
back all right

886
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:12,700
no no it's just and kind of drop that in

887
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,030
fact if you want to get your suspicions

888
00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:18,880
aroused the very next day the Pentagon's

889
00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:20,680
hit on the side that they've been

890
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:22,780
renovating and there was hardly anybody

891
00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:26,290
in there except the Army's Accounting

892
00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:28,180
Office the very people who would be

893
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:30,790
tasked with finding out what happened to

894
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:33,490
that 2.3 trillion and all but one of

895
00:40:40,890 --> 00:40:39,520
them got killed in the blast mm-hmm well

896
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:40,900
actually I got another question from

897
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:44,410
Neutron he was asking is the rumored

898
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:47,710
Apollo 19 Monalisa mission true in your

899
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:49,540
pitch and in your opinion bringing back

900
00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:53,320
a body have you heard of that that I

901
00:40:59,130 --> 00:40:55,150
have no idea whether that's true or not

902
00:41:00,720 --> 00:40:59,140
but in the past I would be tempted to

903
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:00,730
say no I don't think that probably

904
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:03,010
happened but I'll tell you what the way

905
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:04,870
things are going today the secrecy that

906
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:06,790
they lay on the way the government

907
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:08,650
sometimes a lot to you when they really

908
00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:11,740
have no reason to do so I don't know I

909
00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:13,540
think all bets are off I'm willing to

910
00:41:21,930 --> 00:41:16,420
listen to anything today yeah I say

911
00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:21,940
listen I didn't say believe it yes yeah

912
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:25,240
they have a cake everybody just you know

913
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:27,010
you want to keep an open mind but you

914
00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:28,570
don't want it so open that your brain

915
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:31,060
falls out well look since around the

916
00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:33,130
moon anyway can you explain to us this

917
00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:36,460
idea of the hollow moon theory or the

918
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,340
spaceship moon theory I know that in

919
00:41:44,490 --> 00:41:40,720
your book you gave some points of

920
00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:44,500
evidence you know like that the 1972

921
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:49,800
and since aquas to the center of the

922
00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:52,390
moon no waves returned and scientists

923
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,220
were just just baffled by that you know

924
00:41:59,160 --> 00:41:57,280
so oldest I've just yeah NASA scientist

925
00:42:02,010 --> 00:41:59,170
said that when that Lander crashed back

926
00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:02,020
over the moon the moon vibrated and rang

927
00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:04,900
like a bell in their own words for hours

928
00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:08,740
for like six hours or seven hours and of

929
00:42:12,060 --> 00:42:10,360
course that's not the first time that

930
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:12,070
people came up with the idea that maybe

931
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:15,250
when the moon's is hollow Carl Sagan

932
00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:17,530
early in his career along with some

933
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,840
Russian scientists were studying Phobos

934
00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:22,240
to the moon of one of the moons of Mars

935
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:25,300
and they swarmed down it had the

936
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:28,920
characteristics of a natural satellite

937
00:42:35,610 --> 00:42:33,610
and then it might be Hollow what's

938
00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:35,620
interesting is is at one point I was

939
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,100
talking with dr. Edgar Mitchell the

940
00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:41,920
sixth man to walk on the moon and I

941
00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:43,480
asked him I said you know what do you

942
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:44,830
think but this idea that the moon's

943
00:42:49,740 --> 00:42:47,410
Hollow and he kind of laughed he said oh

944
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,750
no no the moon's not Hollow but then he

945
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:52,240
had to go on he said well of course we

946
00:42:57,900 --> 00:42:54,910
do know that the denser materials are on

947
00:43:00,300 --> 00:42:57,910
the outside and that it's lighter on the

948
00:43:02,310 --> 00:43:00,310
inside in fact he said scientists are

949
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:02,320
thinking that perhaps there are these

950
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:05,800
giant caverns inside the moon

951
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:07,980
well of course here's here's one of our

952
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,390
astronauts I didn't want to I didn't

953
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:12,400
want to get his face but I'm thinking to

954
00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:15,010
myself wait a minute our Moon giant

955
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:16,600
caverns in the moon what's the

956
00:43:22,350 --> 00:43:20,470
difference right well there's also as

957
00:43:25,110 --> 00:43:22,360
you know in the book alien agenda and

958
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:25,120
again if anybody listening wants to dig

959
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:27,490
more into this please go out and get

960
00:43:35,070 --> 00:43:32,050
alien agenda you can go to Jim Marrs com

961
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:35,080
this book is just it's dense it is so

962
00:43:39,870 --> 00:43:36,160
dense it's packed with so much

963
00:43:41,490 --> 00:43:39,880
information I love it you don't have to

964
00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:41,500
read it straight through you just read a

965
00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:44,020
little bit of the time well in it you

966
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,070
know it's a good book to keep on your

967
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:47,040
shelf you know it's a little

968
00:43:59,010 --> 00:43:49,870
encyclopedia keep it in the bathroom

969
00:44:00,510 --> 00:43:59,020
read a little bit everybody so I want to

970
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:00,520
get to the

971
00:44:07,830 --> 00:44:05,260
to this idea of a moon not being there

972
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:07,840
that there was a time when there wasn't

973
00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:09,790
a moon which actually might support this

974
00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:12,520
whole spaceship moon moon base satellite

975
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:16,060
theory well let me tell you Alan I think

976
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:18,730
the biggest argument for the moon is

977
00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:21,970
that it should not be where it is even

978
00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:25,540
Isaac Asimov who in addition to being a

979
00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:27,820
great science fiction writer also was a

980
00:44:33,110 --> 00:44:30,100
great scientist and he said the moon

981
00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:33,120
should not be where it is but it is so

982
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:35,500
here's the thing when I was a kid in

983
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:37,060
school and we were kind of taught that

984
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,830
the moon had broken away from the earth

985
00:44:43,140 --> 00:44:41,200
but now since we've been to the moon we

986
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:43,150
know that the composition of moon rocks

987
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,670
is not the same as on the earth in fact

988
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:48,160
they have found rocks on the moon that

989
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:50,050
go back more than ten billion years

990
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:51,970
which makes them older than the earth

991
00:44:59,010 --> 00:44:55,660
which is only about eight years old and

992
00:45:02,100 --> 00:44:59,020
so picture this so obviously the moon

993
00:45:04,290 --> 00:45:02,110
then came from somewhere else and so it

994
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:04,300
comes out of space and it passes by the

995
00:45:08,820 --> 00:45:06,790
earth and the gravitational field of the

996
00:45:11,130 --> 00:45:08,830
earth pulls it back and then it goes

997
00:45:13,950 --> 00:45:11,140
past again gets caught the field comes

998
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:13,960
back so over time it eventually goes

999
00:45:20,010 --> 00:45:16,690
into orbit around the Earth well it

1000
00:45:23,570 --> 00:45:20,020
should it be in a wobbly oblong orbit

1001
00:45:26,970 --> 00:45:23,580
see but it's not it's in a near-perfect

1002
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:26,980
circular orbit that circles the equator

1003
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:30,880
of the earth in a stationary Orion orbit

1004
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:33,730
one side always facing the earth how is

1005
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:35,980
that possible naturally and the answer

1006
00:45:43,290 --> 00:45:39,310
is it's not okay which means that some

1007
00:45:45,930 --> 00:45:43,300
intelligence guided and parked the moon

1008
00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:45,940
where it is and not only is in a

1009
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:48,940
near-perfect circular orbit stationary

1010
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:50,890
around the equator of the earth but it's

1011
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:53,890
at just the proper distance so when it

1012
00:46:00,060 --> 00:45:57,370
eclipses the Sun it neatly covers the

1013
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:00,070
corona of the Sun you know that now

1014
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:03,010
that's a very specific distance and how

1015
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:04,690
does something naturally get that way

1016
00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:07,330
well it really can't with this kind of I

1017
00:46:12,099 --> 00:46:09,880
guess gives a clue as to how our

1018
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:12,109
thinking goes because

1019
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:14,390
we know that the moon has been there as

1020
00:46:19,479 --> 00:46:16,609
far back as recorded history for the

1021
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:19,489
most part and so we know that in the

1022
00:46:23,739 --> 00:46:21,650
past we didn't have space flash so we

1023
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:23,749
couldn't have parked it there but we

1024
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:25,369
also know there's no such thing as

1025
00:46:29,289 --> 00:46:26,209
aliens

1026
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:29,299
so therefore well let's just don't talk

1027
00:46:34,929 --> 00:46:33,529
about that yeah and it's been some time

1028
00:46:37,419 --> 00:46:34,939
since you actually wrote the book I'm

1029
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,429
wondering has any um as the

1030
00:46:42,609 --> 00:46:39,920
mathematician anywhere out there done

1031
00:46:45,549 --> 00:46:42,619
the actual statistical data find out

1032
00:46:47,859 --> 00:46:45,559
what what the odds are that these all

1033
00:46:52,359 --> 00:46:47,869
these things would coalesce on this one

1034
00:46:54,729 --> 00:46:52,369
satellite has anyone I don't think so I

1035
00:46:57,549 --> 00:46:54,739
think the idea is it's like so many of

1036
00:46:59,439 --> 00:46:57,559
these anomalies on the earth you know

1037
00:47:05,349 --> 00:46:59,449
and of course I love that word anomalies

1038
00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:05,359
that's a scientific jargon for WTF no I

1039
00:47:10,209 --> 00:47:07,849
don't know so we won't talk about it

1040
00:47:12,549 --> 00:47:10,219
okay so no as far as I know they haven't

1041
00:47:15,069 --> 00:47:12,559
done that but I do know that the most

1042
00:47:17,469 --> 00:47:15,079
current thinking on the moon and this is

1043
00:47:19,509 --> 00:47:17,479
really real interesting to me is what

1044
00:47:24,429 --> 00:47:19,519
they are they're calling the big whack

1045
00:47:26,620 --> 00:47:24,439
which is that somebody came in our solar

1046
00:47:29,769 --> 00:47:26,630
system and collided with another body

1047
00:47:32,650 --> 00:47:29,779
possibly a moon or or whatever and it

1048
00:47:34,959 --> 00:47:32,660
broke apart and then it caliste and when

1049
00:47:37,539 --> 00:47:34,969
an armored around the earth and that's

1050
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:37,549
where the moon came from and the reason

1051
00:47:42,999 --> 00:47:39,529
I find that very fascinating is because

1052
00:47:45,249 --> 00:47:43,009
the ancient Sumerian tablets that tell

1053
00:47:48,809 --> 00:47:45,259
us about the Anunnaki who came to the

1054
00:47:51,370 --> 00:47:48,819
earth and colonized also gave a

1055
00:47:53,019 --> 00:47:51,380
allegorical history of our solar system

1056
00:47:56,049 --> 00:47:53,029
and said there was a big planet called

1057
00:47:59,140 --> 00:47:56,059
tioman it was about four times the size

1058
00:48:03,819 --> 00:47:59,150
of Earth that lay out in the orbit past

1059
00:48:06,279 --> 00:48:03,829
Mars and that when this planet nibiru

1060
00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:06,289
with its attendant moons came through

1061
00:48:11,979 --> 00:48:08,630
the solar system when the moon's hit TMI

1062
00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:11,989
and shattered it and a half that world

1063
00:48:18,249 --> 00:48:15,380
just went to pieces but remained in the

1064
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:18,259
orbit past Mars which of course would be

1065
00:48:24,450 --> 00:48:21,380
the asteroid belt and at the other part

1066
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:24,460
of 10th Mark was knocked past nurses are

1067
00:48:30,750 --> 00:48:28,420
and went into orbit at the third place

1068
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:30,760
around the Sun and Moon Calliste

1069
00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:32,320
into the earth that's what the earth

1070
00:48:37,770 --> 00:48:35,470
came from this also explain why they are

1071
00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:37,780
continually finding these meteorites are

1072
00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:42,040
pieces rock that originated on the

1073
00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:45,670
planet there's stop spirit dip a little

1074
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,560
bit because you first amidst the

1075
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:49,119
computer and our do you need to give up

1076
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:51,490
well I'm sorry I'm hopefully I'm right

1077
00:48:55,020 --> 00:48:53,530
here in this computer I don't even know

1078
00:48:57,630 --> 00:48:55,030
where the microphone yes I don't know

1079
00:48:59,339 --> 00:48:57,640
how to get to it actually I'm trying to

1080
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,349
stay home here in space yes and they

1081
00:49:05,310 --> 00:49:01,599
does a lot better now already yeah okay

1082
00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:05,320
okay cool so anyway you got that though

1083
00:49:08,609 --> 00:49:06,580
yeah and I think you're aware of the

1084
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:08,619
fact that they've got these meteorites

1085
00:49:12,690 --> 00:49:11,170
with are they've got rocks and materials

1086
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:12,700
that they found on the earth it

1087
00:49:19,710 --> 00:49:16,770
obviously apparently originated on Mars

1088
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:19,720
in fact that is led to some theories

1089
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:22,089
that life on the earth was actually

1090
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:26,050
seeded from other places perhaps Mars

1091
00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:29,950
perhaps other planets yeah and you know

1092
00:49:33,810 --> 00:49:32,140
I from what I've seen I think the

1093
00:49:38,190 --> 00:49:33,820
evidence does look pretty good for

1094
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:38,200
Planet X or Nibiru but well I think what

1095
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:40,420
the issue that I have is that every so

1096
00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:42,010
many years somebody comes up and says

1097
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:44,950
it's coming this year or it's coming in

1098
00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:47,830
two years and and you know when that

1099
00:49:50,070 --> 00:49:48,460
happens

1100
00:49:52,650 --> 00:49:50,080
there's just no way that mainstream

1101
00:49:55,620 --> 00:49:52,660
media's gonna take it seriously I don't

1102
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:55,630
and so what's your take on that well I'm

1103
00:49:59,880 --> 00:49:57,490
not sure the day's seriously even if

1104
00:50:01,410 --> 00:49:59,890
they took it seriously I mean put

1105
00:50:04,349 --> 00:50:01,420
yourself in the position of president

1106
00:50:06,030 --> 00:50:04,359
United States and the scientists came to

1107
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:06,040
you and said well this planets kind of

1108
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:08,440
be coming back in through our solar

1109
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:10,690
system in in a few years and it's gonna

1110
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:12,700
disrupt everything and we're liable to

1111
00:50:17,609 --> 00:50:15,250
have a pole shift and 500 mile an hour

1112
00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:17,619
winds and you know it's going to level

1113
00:50:22,589 --> 00:50:19,230
everything there's going to be titled

1114
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:22,599
shifts and tsunamis that are engulf the

1115
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:25,330
West and East Coast you

1116
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:27,850
would you really tell the people you

1117
00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:30,250
know would you get everybody panicked

1118
00:50:37,620 --> 00:50:32,980
fearful run around there's nothing

1119
00:50:40,890 --> 00:50:37,630
anybody about it we're going right up to

1120
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:40,900
the very end it's good question

1121
00:50:45,930 --> 00:50:42,880
I'm glad I'm not the position of knowing

1122
00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:45,940
for sure then trying to decide if it's

1123
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:49,420
my obligation tell public or keep them

1124
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,090
happy in the dark right and there's

1125
00:51:01,470 --> 00:50:58,000
actually so much more to this moon

1126
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:01,480
theory entity and Mott that we just

1127
00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:02,770
can't possibly cover tonight there

1128
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:06,760
there's so much evidence but until you

1129
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:09,010
mentioned my my one of my latest books

1130
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:12,480
the the Arab culture history and

1131
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,770
personally point out when I use the term

1132
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:17,200
occulted don't worry you're not gonna

1133
00:51:22,110 --> 00:51:19,210
have to read about devil worshiper

1134
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:22,120
zombies or anything that we normally

1135
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:24,250
think it was the occult I use it in the

1136
00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:27,210
astronomical sense in that when the moon

1137
00:51:32,250 --> 00:51:29,470
eclipses the Sun that's called an

1138
00:51:34,530 --> 00:51:32,260
occultation in cults the Sun which

1139
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:34,540
simply means it hides or masks the Sun

1140
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:37,630
so what I'm actually talking about here

1141
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:43,780
is the our hidden history and the first

1142
00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:46,330
part of that book I deal with evidence

1143
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:49,480
that indicates that we there may have

1144
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,410
been intelligent life extraterrestrial

1145
00:52:02,430 --> 00:51:59,440
life visiting all through our solar

1146
00:52:04,620 --> 00:52:02,440
system not just on there because you got

1147
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:04,630
the pyramids on Mars you got the face on

1148
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:07,570
Mars you got all of this intriguing

1149
00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:10,720
things all these things on the moon and

1150
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:13,480
again we find pyramids of Mars the moon

1151
00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:17,410
all over the earth keep finding kids all

1152
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:19,840
the time and I think it's points to

1153
00:52:25,110 --> 00:52:23,170
amazing super non-technical civilization

1154
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:25,120
it was on this planet long before we

1155
00:52:33,140 --> 00:52:31,090
came along and then maybe say before we

1156
00:52:38,850 --> 00:52:33,150
came along I just want to get to this

1157
00:52:41,220 --> 00:52:38,860
topic of the moon not being there well

1158
00:52:46,110 --> 00:52:41,230
when you look at the province right and

1159
00:52:49,830 --> 00:52:46,120
and this is a the claim to Arcadia what

1160
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:49,840
is that well there are certain tribes

1161
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:52,090
and certain legends that have been

1162
00:52:57,060 --> 00:52:55,090
handed down since the earliest times

1163
00:53:00,660 --> 00:52:57,070
where they claimed there was a time when

1164
00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:00,670
there was no moon in the sky I don't

1165
00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:02,620
know and I'm not sure anybody's done the

1166
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:05,380
the proper amount of scientific study on

1167
00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:08,110
that but I think all I can say is is

1168
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:10,150
that I think the moon has been with us

1169
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:12,220
as far back as our written history goes

1170
00:53:17,070 --> 00:53:14,380
now before that when we start getting

1171
00:53:19,410 --> 00:53:17,080
back into the you know past 10,000 years

1172
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:19,420
ago past 20,000 years ago

1173
00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:22,770
everything is just hand-me-down you know

1174
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:25,840
verbal communication and a lot of that's

1175
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,330
been garbled and been lost so I don't

1176
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:29,920
think we'd be able to prove much of

1177
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:32,410
anything but all we know is the moon

1178
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:34,690
been there as far back as we have

1179
00:53:39,690 --> 00:53:37,510
recorded history and we know that at

1180
00:53:41,550 --> 00:53:39,700
that point in time there was not the

1181
00:53:43,530 --> 00:53:41,560
technology to go the moon and do

1182
00:53:45,420 --> 00:53:43,540
anything on the moon again this

1183
00:53:50,130 --> 00:53:45,430
indicates that there were other

1184
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:50,140
intelligences operating besides us right

1185
00:53:59,640 --> 00:53:55,740
so it's it's it's hard for people to

1186
00:54:04,190 --> 00:53:59,650
accept that Jim you know it's well it's

1187
00:54:07,050 --> 00:54:04,200
not conventional you know education

1188
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:07,060
meant so much of what we're taught is

1189
00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:10,450
not true right but you know even even

1190
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:13,060
from an instinctual place almost I mean

1191
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:14,800
you grow up with the moon it's there

1192
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:18,160
it's just it's a part of your your world

1193
00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:20,710
your reality it seems natural because

1194
00:54:24,450 --> 00:54:22,540
you were born and you look up at the sky

1195
00:54:26,580 --> 00:54:24,460
and there was all the time you know so

1196
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:26,590
for someone to say to you well it's not

1197
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:29,170
really a moon you know it's not what you

1198
00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:32,710
think it is it's people are gonna have a

1199
00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:34,180
hard time swallowing that you know it

1200
00:54:39,350 --> 00:54:36,070
because that's a is a sacred thing for

1201
00:54:42,330 --> 00:54:39,360
them to I mean especially you know yeah

1202
00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:42,340
there's whole legends even religions

1203
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:44,350
have grown up around the moon what

1204
00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:45,970
you're actually dealing with Allen is

1205
00:54:53,470 --> 00:54:50,440
what they call normal normalcy bias look

1206
00:54:56,259 --> 00:54:53,480
yeah you go and you turn on the kitchen

1207
00:54:59,400 --> 00:54:56,269
sink and water comes out now just a

1208
00:55:02,170 --> 00:54:59,410
hundred years ago or maybe even less

1209
00:55:04,930 --> 00:55:02,180
that would have been a miracle you turn

1210
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:04,940
a a valve and water comes out holy cow

1211
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:08,089
good water drinkable water that was a

1212
00:55:13,390 --> 00:55:10,130
miracle and today though through

1213
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:13,400
normalcy bias I mean today if no water

1214
00:55:18,339 --> 00:55:15,650
comes out then we get concerned it's

1215
00:55:20,140 --> 00:55:18,349
like what's going on because we are so

1216
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:20,150
used to it you're used to going and turn

1217
00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:21,980
on the water you're used to flushing

1218
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:23,630
you're tall and it just flushes more

1219
00:55:29,289 --> 00:55:26,420
water comes in you know and most people

1220
00:55:32,109 --> 00:55:29,299
do not think that how miraculous that

1221
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,119
really is and how that you know with

1222
00:55:37,989 --> 00:55:35,119
just some slight perturbation in our

1223
00:55:42,249 --> 00:55:37,999
little complicated civilization all that

1224
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,259
could end right you got a pipe right you

1225
00:55:46,660 --> 00:55:45,440
got a pipe break you got no water and of

1226
00:55:48,759 --> 00:55:46,670
course of course we have the

1227
00:55:50,829 --> 00:55:48,769
infrastructure in place where plumbing

1228
00:55:53,259 --> 00:55:50,839
will be right out the city work on it

1229
00:55:54,759 --> 00:55:53,269
and by them within few hours or day

1230
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,769
you're gonna have your water back but

1231
00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:56,720
what if the whole city goes down what if

1232
00:56:01,599 --> 00:55:58,700
the state goes down what if the country

1233
00:56:04,329 --> 00:56:01,609
goes down well we're not prepared for

1234
00:56:05,859 --> 00:56:04,339
that no the vast majority are definitely

1235
00:56:07,779 --> 00:56:05,869
not prepared for that that's for sure

1236
00:56:09,339 --> 00:56:07,789
but you know for you and I and probably

1237
00:56:13,029 --> 00:56:09,349
most of the listeners out there you know

1238
00:56:15,940 --> 00:56:13,039
the satellite moon theory spaceship moon

1239
00:56:18,190 --> 00:56:15,950
theory is is you know something that

1240
00:56:21,249 --> 00:56:18,200
we've heard about we looked into but I

1241
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:21,259
guess a parallel for me would be if I

1242
00:56:26,019 --> 00:56:24,170
were to tell somebody that the water

1243
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:26,029
coming out of this natural spring is

1244
00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:27,650
actually coming out there's an

1245
00:56:30,819 --> 00:56:29,480
underground civilization they're making

1246
00:56:32,650 --> 00:56:30,829
water and they're pumping it out through

1247
00:56:34,749 --> 00:56:32,660
the string if I told that to somebody

1248
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:34,759
they would look at me like I have five

1249
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:36,170
hundred heads you know

1250
00:56:41,140 --> 00:56:39,650
so have you you know who what is your

1251
00:56:43,479 --> 00:56:41,150
approach when you come up to somebody

1252
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:43,489
and you say and they ask you about this

1253
00:56:46,569 --> 00:56:45,049
but for the first time and they're

1254
00:56:48,910 --> 00:56:46,579
they're just learning about this where

1255
00:56:53,049 --> 00:56:48,920
you start so that as to not sort of blow

1256
00:56:54,849 --> 00:56:53,059
them away and turn them off well what I

1257
00:56:57,519 --> 00:56:54,859
tell people and I'm telling you and I'm

1258
00:57:00,670 --> 00:56:57,529
telling your audience don't believe me

1259
00:57:01,809 --> 00:57:00,680
don't trust me I'm not a preacher I'm

1260
00:57:03,579 --> 00:57:01,819
not a politician

1261
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:03,589
I'm not here to say

1262
00:57:08,380 --> 00:57:05,569
I'm sitting here to give you some

1263
00:57:10,809 --> 00:57:08,390
information if you read my book alien

1264
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:10,819
agenda and read the whole chapter on the

1265
00:57:15,009 --> 00:57:12,529
moon and then go and study back

1266
00:57:17,380 --> 00:57:15,019
background lad find out you know is this

1267
00:57:20,049 --> 00:57:17,390
true her it's not then you go find other

1268
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:20,059
instances and so what you do is you just

1269
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:22,670
take a statement well let me tell you

1270
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,529
about my high file okay

1271
00:57:29,469 --> 00:57:26,960
when I get some information it comes in

1272
00:57:31,390 --> 00:57:29,479
and it flies in the face of what I had

1273
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:31,400
previously believed or what I've been

1274
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:35,170
taught you know I go huh and I do not

1275
00:57:40,029 --> 00:57:37,609
automatically believe it but I don't

1276
00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:40,039
automatically disbelieve it I simply

1277
00:57:45,789 --> 00:57:43,700
when I say put it in my file okay and

1278
00:57:48,819 --> 00:57:45,799
then I file it away and just remember

1279
00:57:51,789 --> 00:57:48,829
that and then keep it in mind until I

1280
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:51,799
get further input now as further input

1281
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:53,210
comes in there's going to be more and

1282
00:57:57,249 --> 00:57:54,799
more information that supports that

1283
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:57,259
thesis or it's going to be a lot of

1284
00:58:03,609 --> 00:58:00,799
information that debunks it and destroys

1285
00:58:05,769 --> 00:58:03,619
it so if what you do is you don't

1286
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:05,779
believe anything you don't disbelieve

1287
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:08,690
anything you just form your file and

1288
00:58:15,009 --> 00:58:12,410
wait for further information all right

1289
00:58:16,539 --> 00:58:15,019
bull Jim we're coming up on a break just

1290
00:58:18,969 --> 00:58:16,549
a reminder to anybody who's tuning in

1291
00:58:21,370 --> 00:58:18,979
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1292
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:21,380
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1293
00:58:26,499 --> 00:58:23,150
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1294
00:58:28,509 --> 00:58:26,509
Matter radio network.com tonight we're

1295
00:58:32,170 --> 00:58:28,519
talking to Jim Mars about alien agenda

1296
00:58:34,029 --> 00:58:32,180
and his book our coltd history we've put

1297
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:34,039
some links in the chatroom if you're

1298
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:35,920
just joining us you can check those out

1299
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:39,920
Jim's book out online we will be back in

1300
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:04,450
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definitely living on the edge with Jim

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Mars because as you are part of the

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mainstream then this is not what you

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talked about around the the watering

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this is a great great night with Jim

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he's always full of amazing information

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that well blow your mind so Jim I want

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to get back to the moon and this whole

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idea that it didn't exist at some point

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in time I'm really stuck on this admit

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but it blows my mind well it is a

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01:03:37,650 --> 01:03:33,280
fascinating topic but I think it's kind

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01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:37,660
of a exercise in futility because if if

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we had to go back in and document a time

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when the moon was not there you're going

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to find very very scant evidence there's

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just some bad mentions in old legends

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about time before

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okay big deal but as far as we know

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everything has ever been documented

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everything anything's been written about

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back to the Old Testament and even the

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Sumerian tablets you know this mention

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of the moon

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so the moon's been with us certainly all

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our loan history right well if it goes

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back to that time then we're also

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talking about the time of the Anunnaki

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right so it would be here by the time

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that they're here right right and also

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though if you go back to the town of the

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Anunnaki if you followed their numbering

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system they talk not just once but

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several times when they talk about when

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it all started they go back more than

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three hundred thousand years ago and you

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know that was even before my time

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sure well but there's also a lot of

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01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:43,369
evidence out there to say that humans

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are way more advanced and had

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full-fledged civilizations even far as

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as back as three hundred thousand a

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01:04:54,130 --> 01:04:52,489
million years exactly and we're and

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01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,140
we're learning stuff all the time today

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01:05:01,089 --> 01:04:56,720
our military and even some police forces

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01:05:04,539 --> 01:05:01,099
have sound cannons okay it's a weapons

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01:05:07,089 --> 01:05:04,549
that fire blasts of of intense sounds

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01:05:09,279 --> 01:05:07,099
enough to set up vibration that can

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01:05:11,890 --> 01:05:09,289
break up crowds that can even knock down

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01:05:13,989 --> 01:05:11,900
walls you know can do this stuff and we

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01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:13,999
think the ones who know about this

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01:05:18,130 --> 01:05:15,920
technology you know we think wow look at

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01:05:19,749 --> 01:05:18,140
this modern technology we have but all

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01:05:21,999 --> 01:05:19,759
you gotta do is go back to the Bible to

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read about Joshua and Battle of Jericho

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it said that they march around the city

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seven times they blew their horns and

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they all started shouting and the walls

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came down so I think I think there was

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01:05:37,299 --> 01:05:32,960
an understanding of sonic weapons way

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01:05:41,319 --> 01:05:37,309
back in biblical times right yeah and

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01:05:43,870 --> 01:05:41,329
that brings up another question of mine

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is that okay let's assume then that

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01:05:48,099 --> 01:05:46,190
there's this technology this super

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01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:48,109
advanced technology that was in

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01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:50,809
existence it was working there is the

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01:05:56,349 --> 01:05:54,049
whole society using this advanced

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01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:56,359
technology but is it really the same

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01:06:00,980 --> 01:05:57,180
kind of

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advanced society as we are because I can

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01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:02,940
only imagine we have a lot of junk we

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01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:05,910
have a lot of trash you know if our

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01:06:10,849 --> 01:06:08,490
society you know dwindles away and is

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01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:10,859
covered by time I would still imagine

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01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:12,569
that there would be plastics there would

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01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:17,220
be metals you know calling Rock and the

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01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:18,450
whole planet would literally literally

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01:06:24,349 --> 01:06:22,680
be littered yeah that thousand years

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01:06:26,930 --> 01:06:24,359
from now someone's gonna dig up a coke

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01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:26,940
bottle and say gee I wonder what this

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01:06:34,569 --> 01:06:30,569
was and his his compadres is going to

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01:06:43,660 --> 01:06:34,579
say I don't know but I obviously it's a

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01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:48,290
yeah so so if you look back then you

1446
01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:51,089
know where you know where is all that

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01:06:56,140 --> 01:06:53,190
evidence I know we have pieces well if

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01:06:58,370 --> 01:06:56,150
they're using if you're using natural

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01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:58,380
technologies as opposed to our

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01:07:04,220 --> 01:07:01,200
mechanical technologies for example they

1451
01:07:08,589 --> 01:07:04,230
have founded in South Africa thousands

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01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:08,599
and thousands of these stone circular

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01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:11,640
Oedipus's and they try to explain the

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01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:12,809
way is saying well these are just

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01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:15,119
Corral's you know where they kept their

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01:07:19,579 --> 01:07:17,220
maybe twenty thousand years ago they

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01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:19,589
kept their cattle but wait a minute

1458
01:07:23,089 --> 01:07:21,359
there's no durable place you know and

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01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:23,099
plus there's circles connected to

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01:07:27,380 --> 01:07:25,049
circles and you know what's that all

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01:07:32,329 --> 01:07:27,390
about and what they've actually found it

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01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:32,339
is within these circle it actually set

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01:07:41,420 --> 01:07:38,720
up and enhances earth energy because

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01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:41,430
side of these circles if you dig back

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01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:43,740
hello I'm sixty feet the average

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01:07:48,140 --> 01:07:46,049
temperature is about 42 degrees but

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01:07:50,809 --> 01:07:48,150
within these circles we dig down to

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01:07:52,670 --> 01:07:50,819
average temperature goes up to 132 so

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01:07:55,069 --> 01:07:52,680
they're drawing energy and morph out of

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01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:55,079
the earth and they do this we don't know

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01:08:01,280 --> 01:07:56,760
how to do this we're just uh figuring

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01:08:03,230 --> 01:08:01,290
out that that's the case so again yes I

1473
01:08:04,819 --> 01:08:03,240
see what your point is and I think it's

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01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:04,829
right I think you're building metal

1475
01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:06,809
things and that lots of plastic and look

1476
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:09,630
like we do that thousands of years later

1477
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,930
we be fine

1478
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:12,160
this stuff but I think they were using

1479
01:08:17,849 --> 01:08:14,770
natural forces I think the pier of the

1480
01:08:20,939 --> 01:08:17,859
Great Pyramid I agree with Christopher

1481
01:08:22,499 --> 01:08:20,949
Dunn the British engineer who says he

1482
01:08:24,599 --> 01:08:22,509
thinks the Great Pyramid was a power

1483
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:24,609
generator and I think these other

1484
01:08:30,090 --> 01:08:27,130
pyramids around the world go back before

1485
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:30,100
our recorded history and I think they

1486
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:33,370
event say a highly advanced civilization

1487
01:08:38,099 --> 01:08:35,650
that was using pyramids to transmit

1488
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:38,109
power all around the world but today

1489
01:08:43,559 --> 01:08:41,440
it's they've fallen away they've got

1490
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:43,569
into disuse the land is gobbling up

1491
01:08:49,289 --> 01:08:46,270
seasonal for a month and today we only

1492
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:49,299
have a few worn down little and big

1493
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:52,210
pyramids and what they're all about you

1494
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:53,850
know I went all of us in all of the

1495
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:57,730
palaces and the Egyptian hieroglyphics

1496
01:09:02,970 --> 01:08:59,920
are graphics up there and yeah I'm not

1497
01:09:05,070 --> 01:09:02,980
sure you know I mean we're told that it

1498
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:05,080
was a burial chamber but it doesn't seem

1499
01:09:09,090 --> 01:09:06,640
to hold true because it's not like you

1500
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:09,100
need the other burial chambers also we

1501
01:09:14,130 --> 01:09:11,410
know that the Great Pyramid contains

1502
01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:14,140
some sort of machinery because when

1503
01:09:19,519 --> 01:09:16,630
Napoleon's troops took over Egypt back

1504
01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:19,529
in the early eighteen hundreds they

1505
01:09:24,059 --> 01:09:22,390
thought these devices in the Great

1506
01:09:25,890 --> 01:09:24,069
Pyramid they thought that they were of

1507
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:25,900
the devil so they hauled him out broke

1508
01:09:30,450 --> 01:09:28,390
the bernam so we don't know what it was

1509
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:30,460
all in there or what their original

1510
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:34,239
purpose was all yeah actually

1511
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:36,310
but there are some artifacts you know

1512
01:09:43,950 --> 01:09:38,890
there's the Antikythera mechanism the

1513
01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:43,960
Baghdad batteries Voynich manuscript and

1514
01:09:48,059 --> 01:09:46,540
what like you said about the the Great

1515
01:09:50,610 --> 01:09:48,069
Pyramid and I know a lot of people are

1516
01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:50,620
familiar with this already but the fact

1517
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:52,630
that it's completely blank on the inside

1518
01:10:00,660 --> 01:09:57,760
as far as our graphics go and they based

1519
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:00,670
their whole theory that it's Khufu's

1520
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:03,010
chamber because there was a graffiti

1521
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:05,290
with his name on it it just seems to me

1522
01:10:12,919 --> 01:10:09,489
even evil oh wait well one little piece

1523
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:12,929
with the name curfew on it that was

1524
01:10:18,750 --> 01:10:15,850
fortuitously found by a guy named bys

1525
01:10:19,919 --> 01:10:18,760
who's about to lose his a grant money

1526
01:10:22,380 --> 01:10:19,929
because he hadn't come up with anything

1527
01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:22,390
the Great Pyramid and there's a pretty

1528
01:10:27,330 --> 01:10:24,430
considerable argument that that was a

1529
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:27,340
that's the only that suggests that it

1530
01:10:32,430 --> 01:10:30,070
was a tune yeah and it's it's a wonder

1531
01:10:35,010 --> 01:10:32,440
why scientists would mainstream

1532
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:35,020
archeologists would you know just look

1533
01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:36,730
past this I mean the mainstream

1534
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,950
archeology or not you know they're not

1535
01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:40,480
the ones that are covering up the alien

1536
01:10:46,140 --> 01:10:42,820
agenda or you know they're not part of

1537
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:46,150
the secret society so what is it that

1538
01:10:52,110 --> 01:10:50,290
that keeps them ultra against without

1539
01:10:55,140 --> 01:10:52,120
being able to look bad look at the

1540
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,150
actual fact thing well geologically and

1541
01:10:59,310 --> 01:10:57,040
I read this and when I was in Egypt I

1542
01:11:03,210 --> 01:10:59,320
checked it out it's absolutely true on

1543
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:03,220
both the Sphinx and the great I mean

1544
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:05,770
there is very obvious vertical erosion

1545
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:09,130
which mean is that the geologists will

1546
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:11,710
tell you that that means they both the

1547
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:14,530
structures set out under very any rains

1548
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:18,210
for a very long time and yet the

1549
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:20,410
Egyptologists in the archaeologists been

1550
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:22,000
arguing no no that can't be right

1551
01:11:29,130 --> 01:11:24,130
because it was all built by the

1552
01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:29,140
Egyptians well you know again the

1553
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,240
geology there's not been significant

1554
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:33,520
rainfall in the Giza Plateau for more

1555
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:35,110
than ten thousand five hundred years

1556
01:11:40,650 --> 01:11:37,570
which means at least the Sphinx and the

1557
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:40,660
Great Pyramid set out it to the elements

1558
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:42,250
more than ten thousand five hundred

1559
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:45,070
years ago which leaves out the Egyptians

1560
01:11:49,410 --> 01:11:47,050
which only go back about five thousand

1561
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:49,420
years and of course the problem there is

1562
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:51,970
is that having been in Egypt their whole

1563
01:11:56,730 --> 01:11:54,790
economy is based on tourism and that

1564
01:11:59,130 --> 01:11:56,740
there's all kinds of reputable

1565
01:12:01,620 --> 01:11:59,140
scientists and archaeologists and

1566
01:12:04,710 --> 01:12:01,630
authors and you know who's based their

1567
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:04,720
entire career writing about the majesty

1568
01:12:09,210 --> 01:12:07,030
of Egypt and how that the slaves the

1569
01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:09,220
Egyptian dragged stones through the

1570
01:12:16,650 --> 01:12:12,820
desert to build the pyramids and never

1571
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:16,660
underestimate the power of the status

1572
01:12:23,340 --> 01:12:20,250
quo nobody wants to give all that up

1573
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:23,350
true to me it would be way more

1574
01:12:32,540 --> 01:12:27,010
tantalizing if the theory said wait this

1575
01:12:42,220 --> 01:12:34,380
yeah then they're gonna have to start

1576
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:44,540
people people particularly people are

1577
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:47,010
making their living off of certain

1578
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:49,530
conventional knowledge they do not want

1579
01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:52,050
to change say you and me we don't care

1580
01:12:56,900 --> 01:12:54,120
if somebody to come up and as the

1581
01:12:59,660 --> 01:12:56,910
evidence to show that the Sphinx and the

1582
01:13:02,930 --> 01:12:59,670
Great Pyramid were bit were built by

1583
01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:02,940
some earlier civilization that predated

1584
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:05,340
the Egyptians maybe even predated the

1585
01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:07,920
Sumerians I would be very interested we

1586
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:09,870
go wow that's cool I don't know about it

1587
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:12,570
but you know if we had published books

1588
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:15,120
all our lives on ancient Egypt and all

1589
01:13:19,250 --> 01:13:17,130
of their wonders we would be very

1590
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:19,260
hesitant to say well gee I guess that's

1591
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:22,170
not right right yeah and I understand

1592
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:25,440
that to a degree but you know there's

1593
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:28,400
there's I have to wonder if there is

1594
01:13:34,850 --> 01:13:31,440
affection behind that I mean you know

1595
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:34,860
there's suspicions that the Smithsonian

1596
01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:40,080
you know hides away evidence there's a

1597
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:41,880
faction behind some of the universities

1598
01:13:49,220 --> 01:13:46,530
the encourages the stay away from you

1599
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,230
know from those theories exactly and

1600
01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:51,840
that's exactly true I've spoken with

1601
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:54,840
some relatives archaeologists and they

1602
01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:56,850
say you know you can get grant money to

1603
01:14:02,810 --> 01:13:59,880
go study things at a certain distance

1604
01:14:04,970 --> 01:14:02,820
back in time or even a little bit

1605
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:04,980
further but there are some areas

1606
01:14:11,210 --> 01:14:08,130
particularly in prehistory and going

1607
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:11,220
back more than 20,000 years that you

1608
01:14:15,979 --> 01:14:13,770
just can't get grant money for and yet

1609
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:15,989
that there are people at the top of the

1610
01:14:20,540 --> 01:14:18,090
power structure who obviously interested

1611
01:14:23,530 --> 01:14:20,550
in that at the beginning of the 20th

1612
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:23,540
century who was it that one or two

1613
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:26,400
Mesopotamia and was buying up a lot

1614
01:14:32,150 --> 01:14:30,300
that's Sumerian artwork and skills and a

1615
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:32,160
lot of that information and bringing it

1616
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:34,650
back over here john d rockefeller that's

1617
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:37,410
- and so in certain levels these people

1618
01:14:41,390 --> 01:14:39,480
know these things they were really

1619
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:41,400
fascinated with it but they don't want

1620
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:43,320
us to know about it because it might

1621
01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:48,210
interfere with their monopolies yeah

1622
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:51,060
which brings us to

1623
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:54,360
Iraq and the Baghdad I think with the

1624
01:15:01,670 --> 01:14:58,620
National Museum so we know that only

1625
01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:01,680
invaded bag bag there seemed to be some

1626
01:15:08,210 --> 01:15:04,260
sort of gag order on protecting the the

1627
01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:08,220
National Museum there let's look at the

1628
01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:09,450
timeline okay

1629
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:13,180
prior to our invasion of Iraq in 2003

1630
01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:14,480
[Music]

1631
01:15:20,210 --> 01:15:17,190
was a run up if you remember there were

1632
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:20,220
anti-war demonstrations that were even

1633
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:21,960
larger and greater than during the

1634
01:15:25,670 --> 01:15:24,090
Vietnam War yeah and not only in the

1635
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:25,680
United States but in Europe in other

1636
01:15:31,700 --> 01:15:29,250
countries against us invading Iraq so it

1637
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:31,710
wasn't like that was a surprise it you

1638
01:15:35,420 --> 01:15:33,210
know there was a buildup everybody knew

1639
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:35,430
that we were getting ready to do that so

1640
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:37,260
there were museum directors from all

1641
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:38,340
around the world that went to the

1642
01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:40,500
Pentagon or contacted Pentagon and said

1643
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:42,900
you know it is very very important that

1644
01:15:49,370 --> 01:15:45,050
you protect the Iraqi National Museum

1645
01:15:51,820 --> 01:15:49,380
because after all that that is the area

1646
01:15:54,770 --> 01:15:51,830
is the cradle of you of human

1647
01:15:59,300 --> 01:15:54,780
civilization and not only that but I

1648
01:16:02,150 --> 01:15:59,310
have in my files from 1999 2000 2001 at

1649
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:02,160
French and German archeological teams

1650
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:05,370
were making quote amazing new

1651
01:16:11,390 --> 01:16:08,370
discoveries in quote in the ancient

1652
01:16:14,090 --> 01:16:11,400
Sumerian cities there in Iraq and as I

1653
01:16:16,130 --> 01:16:14,100
mentioned earlier even Saddam Hussein

1654
01:16:18,590 --> 01:16:16,140
believed himself through incarnated and

1655
01:16:22,190 --> 01:16:18,600
African Esser and was trying to go back

1656
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:22,200
and regain the glories of Babylon and so

1657
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:25,530
all of a sudden we invade after

1658
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:28,080
guaranteeing the safety of the National

1659
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:30,210
Museum and yet what actually happened

1660
01:16:36,650 --> 01:16:33,600
was is that somebody stirred up a crowd

1661
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:36,660
of looters and they ran in and broke

1662
01:16:41,570 --> 01:16:39,210
into the National Museum some of the

1663
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:41,580
United States troops were called to try

1664
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:43,530
to break that up and protect the museum

1665
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:45,570
but then were called back by their

1666
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:48,450
superiors and withdrawn and the looters

1667
01:16:52,450 --> 01:16:49,890
went through the whole place and just

1668
01:16:56,420 --> 01:16:52,460
looted hundreds of thousands of items

1669
01:16:58,850 --> 01:16:56,430
destroyed more but the key it is a lot

1670
01:17:00,740 --> 01:16:58,860
of that was returned within months

1671
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:00,750
because it would turn up in local flea

1672
01:17:02,990 --> 01:17:02,640
markets and markets and people would buy

1673
01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:03,000
it

1674
01:17:11,210 --> 01:17:07,560
museum but Colonel Matthew Bakke knows

1675
01:17:13,570 --> 01:17:11,220
who investigated this Iraqi National

1676
01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:13,580
Museum break-in for general Tommy Franks

1677
01:17:20,150 --> 01:17:16,710
wrote later that the basement was an

1678
01:17:23,180 --> 01:17:20,160
inside job so they used this looting

1679
01:17:25,580 --> 01:17:23,190
crowd as just cover while operatives

1680
01:17:28,910 --> 01:17:25,590
went in had keys to some of the exhibits

1681
01:17:31,460 --> 01:17:28,920
they had knowledge of the exhibits they

1682
01:17:33,740 --> 01:17:31,470
bypassed expensive looking fakes and

1683
01:17:36,020 --> 01:17:33,750
went right for the basement and where

1684
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:36,030
they took out all of this new stuff and

1685
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:38,520
what was the new stuff well the word is

1686
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:40,320
is that they were getting some of this

1687
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:43,320
ancient technology that probably was

1688
01:17:48,230 --> 01:17:45,930
passed down from the Anunnaki and in

1689
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,240
fact my sources tell me that yes they

1690
01:17:52,130 --> 01:17:50,640
got an ET technology problem is they

1691
01:17:54,620 --> 01:17:52,140
couldn't figure out how to make it work

1692
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:54,630
but but that's what the that's what the

1693
01:17:59,180 --> 01:17:56,490
invasion of Iraq may have been about

1694
01:18:01,730 --> 01:17:59,190
because I've been in the military and I

1695
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:01,740
know military strategy and tactics and

1696
01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:04,770
you don't just run into a country and go

1697
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:07,860
right to the to the capital you have to

1698
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:10,290
take your objectives and then you can

1699
01:18:13,790 --> 01:18:11,610
solid ate your winnings

1700
01:18:15,410 --> 01:18:13,800
you control the countryside and then you

1701
01:18:18,050 --> 01:18:15,420
move on to your next objective

1702
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:18,060
until you subdued the whole country we

1703
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:19,920
never did do that we made a beeline for

1704
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:24,210
Baghdad we failed to pacify and control

1705
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:26,010
the countryside which is why they're

1706
01:18:31,820 --> 01:18:27,570
still having trouble over there today

1707
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:31,830
and the only outcome of that was the

1708
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:35,310
looting of the Iraqi National Museum but

1709
01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:38,730
a lot of people can accept us going to

1710
01:18:43,460 --> 01:18:42,120
get oil but I think it's harder to

1711
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:43,470
accept that there's an ancient

1712
01:18:49,130 --> 01:18:47,130
technology but technology is that

1713
01:18:50,810 --> 01:18:49,140
something that was a new discovery or is

1714
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:50,820
that something that was in there for

1715
01:18:56,900 --> 01:18:53,010
some time no this was the new

1716
01:18:58,730 --> 01:18:56,910
discoveries okay okay and and I did that

1717
01:19:02,320 --> 01:18:58,740
we went in for the oil is ridiculous

1718
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:02,330
because we were only getting 16% of our

1719
01:19:07,220 --> 01:19:05,010
imported foreign oil out of Iraq to

1720
01:19:08,780 --> 01:19:07,230
begin with and after we invaded because

1721
01:19:10,850 --> 01:19:08,790
of the fighting and the burning oil

1722
01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:10,860
wells and the everything else we didn't

1723
01:19:16,230 --> 01:19:13,560
even get that 16% so the idea that we

1724
01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:16,240
would get oil is ridicu

1725
01:19:20,770 --> 01:19:19,190
yeah it's about it that as good as we

1726
01:19:22,660 --> 01:19:20,780
went in there to get those weapons of

1727
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:22,670
mass destruction in which we never good

1728
01:19:30,190 --> 01:19:27,050
fine so there has to be another reason

1729
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:30,200
and as far as I'm concerned loading the

1730
01:19:38,380 --> 01:19:33,650
Iraqi National Museum of et technologies

1731
01:19:41,140 --> 01:19:38,390
as good as any yeah and assuming that

1732
01:19:45,130 --> 01:19:41,150
there was technology there then that we

1733
01:19:47,020 --> 01:19:45,140
needed or wanted what has been done with

1734
01:19:50,260 --> 01:19:47,030
that you know what were what have we

1735
01:19:52,540 --> 01:19:50,270
turned that into do ya or can we even

1736
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:52,550
make it work well again let's go back

1737
01:19:58,120 --> 01:19:55,840
since the dama same believed himself the

1738
01:20:00,010 --> 01:19:58,130
reincarnated Nebuchadnezzar let's go

1739
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,020
take a look at Nebuchadnezzar and what

1740
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:02,480
he was doing he of course built the

1741
01:20:07,150 --> 01:20:05,090
glory of ancient Babylon Hanging Gardens

1742
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:07,160
and you know this is a wonderful place

1743
01:20:14,620 --> 01:20:11,690
with even had a flowing water aqueducts

1744
01:20:17,410 --> 01:20:14,630
all kinds of what we think of as modern

1745
01:20:19,930 --> 01:20:17,420
conveniences but apparently he had even

1746
01:20:21,610 --> 01:20:19,940
more exotic technology because if you go

1747
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:21,620
to the old testament read the book of

1748
01:20:28,980 --> 01:20:25,370
daniel you'll find that nebuchadnezzar

1749
01:20:32,530 --> 01:20:28,990
built based on knowledge he had of

1750
01:20:35,050 --> 01:20:32,540
ancient knowledge built to what has been

1751
01:20:36,970 --> 01:20:35,060
called a fiery furnace but obviously it

1752
01:20:39,190 --> 01:20:36,980
wasn't it was made out of gold and he

1753
01:20:42,690 --> 01:20:39,200
gives the dimensions and it was just

1754
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:42,700
kind of a large cabinet or little room

1755
01:20:49,870 --> 01:20:45,410
made with gold which is a highly

1756
01:20:51,490 --> 01:20:49,880
conductive metal and when his people

1757
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:51,500
would go in there and they would get

1758
01:20:56,740 --> 01:20:55,010
sick and die and so obviously as they

1759
01:20:59,380 --> 01:20:56,750
were generating some sort of force field

1760
01:21:01,600 --> 01:20:59,390
or energy field there that was harmful

1761
01:21:04,090 --> 01:21:01,610
to his people so he goes down to

1762
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:04,100
palestine and gets the three Hebrew

1763
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:06,770
priest Shadrach Meshach Abednego and he

1764
01:21:11,380 --> 01:21:08,810
brings him up to Babel it and he says

1765
01:21:13,330 --> 01:21:11,390
okay now you have access to the ancient

1766
01:21:15,370 --> 01:21:13,340
records maybe you know how to make this

1767
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:15,380
thing work and they said well you're not

1768
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:16,970
our King you don't believe in our God

1769
01:21:20,590 --> 01:21:19,010
and we're not gonna work for you so he

1770
01:21:21,970 --> 01:21:20,600
said well you either gonna make it work

1771
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:21,980
you're gonna die because I'm going to

1772
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:24,050
put you in it and but he didn't just

1773
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:26,210
immediately toss them in there it says

1774
01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:27,250
first they die

1775
01:21:31,890 --> 01:21:29,260
raiments and their cloaks and their ads

1776
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:31,900
you know what's they got to do with

1777
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:33,490
anything why would they make record of

1778
01:21:37,950 --> 01:21:35,530
that unless they were putting on some

1779
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:37,960
kind of radiation suits some kind of

1780
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:40,330
protective clothing so they give the

1781
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:43,450
three priests go in this the structure

1782
01:21:47,340 --> 01:21:45,490
that they call on a fiery furnace which

1783
01:21:49,770 --> 01:21:47,350
obviously went to find sir they would

1784
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:49,780
have burned up and the King

1785
01:21:54,090 --> 01:21:51,760
Nebuchadnezzar get anymore get close to

1786
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:54,100
it so he hollers to his minions and says

1787
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:55,930
you know or are all three of them in

1788
01:21:59,610 --> 01:21:57,970
there and they said yes O king all

1789
01:22:02,460 --> 01:21:59,620
threes in there in fact there's a fourth

1790
01:22:04,650 --> 01:22:02,470
in there I'm why they put three people

1791
01:22:06,090 --> 01:22:04,660
in and now there's a fourth and

1792
01:22:08,190 --> 01:22:06,100
Nebuchadnezzar says well who's the

1793
01:22:10,890 --> 01:22:08,200
fourth one they said it's a son of God

1794
01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:10,900
so obviously some kind of really you

1795
01:22:13,980 --> 01:22:12,640
know here's something going for him

1796
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:13,990
because he didn't approve it you know

1797
01:22:18,330 --> 01:22:16,570
they knew wasn't human and so anyway

1798
01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:18,340
what are we talking about they're an

1799
01:22:24,750 --> 01:22:21,880
energy field maybe a wormhole or a time

1800
01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:24,760
tunnel or who knows but the three people

1801
01:22:28,380 --> 01:22:26,440
went in and then there were four and of

1802
01:22:29,610 --> 01:22:28,390
course you never heard even more about

1803
01:22:32,490 --> 01:22:29,620
it that's the end of that story

1804
01:22:34,740 --> 01:22:32,500
except that Nebuchadnezzar made the

1805
01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:34,750
three priests and put them in charge of

1806
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:36,340
Babylon that's how much that's how

1807
01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:38,170
impressed he was with what they were

1808
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:42,790
able to do so is this a hint that they

1809
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:45,030
had ancient energy manipulation

1810
01:22:52,140 --> 01:22:50,890
technology I would suspect so but we may

1811
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:52,150
actually have some of that technology

1812
01:22:57,660 --> 01:22:55,170
even before we'd gone into Baghdad

1813
01:22:59,610 --> 01:22:57,670
obviously if you believe in the secret

1814
01:23:01,440 --> 01:22:59,620
space program you know I don't think

1815
01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:01,450
that it would make sense that the secret

1816
01:23:06,030 --> 01:23:03,790
space program is just purely based on

1817
01:23:07,650 --> 01:23:06,040
rocket technology you know there are

1818
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:07,660
remote places in the world but you can

1819
01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:08,890
only launch so many Rockets before

1820
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:11,110
somebody notices so they're getting into

1821
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:13,510
space they're using some other advanced

1822
01:23:18,060 --> 01:23:15,910
technology well before there was a

1823
01:23:21,180 --> 01:23:18,070
blackout over the information in the

1824
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:21,190
early 50s and right after war - some

1825
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:23,110
prominent aviation people were talking

1826
01:23:28,050 --> 01:23:26,110
about anti-gravity craft and I think

1827
01:23:29,340 --> 01:23:28,060
that's where they win and I think that's

1828
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:29,350
what they developed but they wanted to

1829
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:31,600
keep that secret and Allen you're right

1830
01:23:35,610 --> 01:23:33,520
they couldn't very well be launching a

1831
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:35,620
great heavy lift for Rockets you know

1832
01:23:38,510 --> 01:23:36,910
around the world without somebody

1833
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:38,520
spotting that but

1834
01:23:43,850 --> 01:23:41,730
how about while we are all fixated on

1835
01:23:46,220 --> 01:23:43,860
watching those giant Rockets take off

1836
01:23:48,590 --> 01:23:46,230
from Cape Canaveral why

1837
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:48,600
you know we tons of smoke and flame and

1838
01:23:55,820 --> 01:23:51,690
roaring sounds everything meanwhile over

1839
01:23:58,580 --> 01:23:55,830
in the Okefenokee Swamp they just lift

1840
01:24:03,110 --> 01:23:58,590
it off you know with using anti-gravity

1841
01:24:06,830 --> 01:24:03,120
technology yeah that would be our most

1842
01:24:11,150 --> 01:24:06,840
you know sensitive weapons technology so

1843
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:11,160
you have to keep all that secret yeah

1844
01:24:15,140 --> 01:24:13,650
and that's that's the key here a secret

1845
01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:15,150
and that's what your book our quilted

1846
01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:18,600
history is really focused on what it how

1847
01:24:25,130 --> 01:24:22,710
in goodness name can can you keep a

1848
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:25,140
secret like this for for so long for so

1849
01:24:30,670 --> 01:24:27,690
many generations I mean if you think

1850
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:30,680
about just let's say a UFO recovery

1851
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:34,260
crash recovery or development even if

1852
01:24:39,470 --> 01:24:36,450
it's compartmentalized the development

1853
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:39,480
of a technology or secret space program

1854
01:24:45,170 --> 01:24:41,370
I mean you have to hire personnel you

1855
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:45,180
have to have human beings so how do you

1856
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:48,840
keep all these people under wraps well

1857
01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:50,730
let me offer you two things number one

1858
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:52,430
was thinking about the Manhattan Project

1859
01:24:57,620 --> 01:24:55,770
you know something like 25 or 30,000

1860
01:24:59,600 --> 01:24:57,630
people worked on the Manhattan Project

1861
01:25:01,880 --> 01:24:59,610
and yet nobody broke the silence

1862
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:01,890
nobody knew we had an atomic bomb until

1863
01:25:07,490 --> 01:25:04,650
we set one off and announced it so yes

1864
01:25:10,270 --> 01:25:07,500
the government can keep secrets number

1865
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:10,280
two it's not really secret in any way

1866
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:13,170
there's been plenty of people who's who

1867
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:15,780
whistleblowers who've talked about the

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space fleet who talks about the Kennedy

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assassination who talked about the

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insiders of 9/11 blah blah blah but the

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problem is is that it hasn't hit the

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mainstream media the corporate control

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media they don't acknowledge these

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whistleblowers and they don't

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acknowledge the information that's out

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there you and I can go find things but

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for most people unless they hear it on

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CNN or see it on the NBC news it's just

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not real and so again I mentioned this

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early in the program they don't have to

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really keeping them secret they just

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have to keep it muddied you know

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in controversy and then nothing gets

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done about it and you still got plenty

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of people that go oh I can't be true and

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they don't want to listen to it they

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don't want to listen to believe it and

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so you know you just nothing happens and

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nothing you know yet

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everybody are for instance on the

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disclosure of UFOs and of the cruising

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of extraterrestrials anyone who is

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seriously studied the issue comes to the

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realization that that's all very real

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and that yes they're here okay now we

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don't know precisely how many we don't

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know precisely who where they are but we

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know that they're here and it's

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happening you know almost every thinking

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person is there but yet it has not been

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officially acknowledged and there are

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those who unless the president United

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States so the Secretary of Defense got

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up publicly and said yes folks there are

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aliens and even then they probably

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wouldn't believe them you know so it's

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just a question of keeping things I'm

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fisk added okay and then that way

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nothing gets done about it and all right

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I'm sorry to interrupt but we're coming

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up on a break here our last dance break

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will be back everybody this epic voyage

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is radio I'm allen Smith with jim marrs

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hey this Allenby Smith from epic voyages

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radio live on inception radio network

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welcome back our guest tonight is Jim

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Marrs and taking us out of the break was

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why by enigma one of my um my favorite

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groups and that's all we're asking

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tonight is why why why why what when and

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where and Jim is just a store of

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information it's an absolute pleasure to

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talk with him tonight I don't glad you

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guys are here with us to share in this

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conversation but Jim I saw a comment in

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the chat room and you know some people

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actually have some suspicions of you

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this just popped up says Jim is

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convinced that the elite is tied in with

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the entities in my opinion serving as

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their minion in exchange for knowledge

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for their selfish occultic controls so

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if I got that right it sounds like

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they're they're suspecting you let me

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know if I'm wrong new trauma that sounds

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like they're suspecting you of having

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some sort of insider information because

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you're playing toward their hand yes I

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do have insider information things I

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cannot you know I can't always tell what

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I know because knowing improving or

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sometimes two different things and I

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always pretty well stick to writing and

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making public statements about things I

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can prove or that I'm certain in my mind

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is true but I have reason to believe

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that at the very top of the food chain

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you know in fact I raise the question in

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my book are cultured history what I did

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in this book is yes good sense to me

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okay Jim good right what I did was

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connect two topics that heretofore I

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don't think you've been connected one is

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the idea of ancient astronauts which

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thanks to that TV show has has gained

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more and more credence in the minds of a

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lot of people and I think that talking

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with some of my fellow investigators and

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writers and researchers we have come to

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the conclusion that the evidence for

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ancient astronauts is certainly

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compelling if not overwhelming so you've

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got that topic the next topic of course

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is the New World Order but so the idea

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that a a clique of very wealthy powerful

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people today are trying to run the world

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and actually this has been pretty well

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documented by 2011 study by Swiss

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institution that found that after out of

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43,000 multinational corporations it all

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devolves down to about twenty banks they

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control them all with interlocking

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directorships and ownerships so yes

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well-documented it is the idea that

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today there's a small handful of people

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who are at least are trying to run the

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world and my question going into our

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occult in history is can these two

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topics be connected yes they can because

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the two tie modern methods of

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controlling the human population

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our first religion and then money our

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finances and in fact when Jesus you know

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the Lord of peace when the one time he's

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documented is getting very angry and

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actually getting violent is when he

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chased the money changers oh okay now

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did he do that did he go to the bank no

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they were in the temple and this means

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that religion and money finances have

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been intertwined going all the way back

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through history

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now religion is what ran the show up

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through the Middle Ages you know and the

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universal Church and answered that

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nobody in fact they loaned money to the

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kings and queens they control over the

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royalty but then with the invention of

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the printing press and Gutenberg Bible

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and a lot of people don't forget how

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they don't know that the first really

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truly banned book was the Bible for

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about a hundred years it was illegal to

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possess a Bible or to sell a Bible

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alright and so they were bootleg copies

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passed all around

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well this led to the Age of

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Enlightenment when more and more people

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began to realize that the teachings of

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01:38:12,939 --> 01:38:10,280
the church we do not always coincide

2140
01:38:15,570 --> 01:38:12,949
with the teachings of the Bible and so

2141
01:38:18,540 --> 01:38:15,580
the power of religion began to wane

2142
01:38:21,150 --> 01:38:18,550
as it continues to do today but the

2143
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:21,160
power money thing rose to take it place

2144
01:38:25,770 --> 01:38:23,890
because today most people America like

2145
01:38:28,020 --> 01:38:25,780
to think of themselves is free but if

2146
01:38:30,330 --> 01:38:28,030
you really stop check your thing they

2147
01:38:32,610 --> 01:38:30,340
can't walk off their job they can't move

2148
01:38:35,100 --> 01:38:32,620
to another town really nilly they can't

2149
01:38:37,710 --> 01:38:35,110
just be free because they got to make

2150
01:38:39,570 --> 01:38:37,720
those monthly payments for utilities and

2151
01:38:42,270 --> 01:38:39,580
for their credit cards and all their

2152
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:42,280
credit and so today it's money that

2153
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:45,040
controls everything and who controls the

2154
01:38:50,910 --> 01:38:48,210
money so that I think we see now that

2155
01:38:52,830 --> 01:38:50,920
yes this goes all the way back in the

2156
01:38:54,630 --> 01:38:52,840
people at the very top understand that

2157
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:54,640
for example I was kind of blown away

2158
01:38:59,220 --> 01:38:57,010
when I found out that the Rothschilds

2159
01:39:01,710 --> 01:38:59,230
who many people feel like that

2160
01:39:03,390 --> 01:39:01,720
Rothschild banking dynasty is it pretty

2161
01:39:07,260 --> 01:39:03,400
much close to the top of the power

2162
01:39:09,090 --> 01:39:07,270
pyramid on this world they believe

2163
01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:09,100
themselves the descendants of the

2164
01:39:15,090 --> 01:39:13,750
Sumerian Anunnaki God King Nimrod okay

2165
01:39:17,940 --> 01:39:15,100
and they even named one of their

2166
01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:17,950
children Emeline a few years back so you

2167
01:39:22,580 --> 01:39:19,510
know they know about this stuff and they

2168
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:22,590
don't laugh at all it's only the

2169
01:39:26,780 --> 01:39:24,730
conventional thinking people who watch

2170
01:39:30,540 --> 01:39:26,790
TV that don't know these things

2171
01:39:32,220 --> 01:39:30,550
yeah actually Neutron was not saying

2172
01:39:33,630 --> 01:39:32,230
that you were a part of this he was

2173
01:39:37,110 --> 01:39:33,640
actually saying that the elite

2174
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:37,120
themselves were the minions of alien so

2175
01:39:48,510 --> 01:39:45,520
I apologized to Neutron for that well

2176
01:39:50,340 --> 01:39:48,520
what I end up after a tie and in the

2177
01:39:52,110 --> 01:39:50,350
ancient astronauts and tracing them up

2178
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:52,120
through the secret societies the Knights

2179
01:39:56,250 --> 01:39:53,890
Templars the Rosicrucians

2180
01:39:59,880 --> 01:39:56,260
you know all the Merovingians all the

2181
01:40:02,430 --> 01:39:59,890
way I would I come up with this three

2182
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:02,440
possibilities either the people trying

2183
01:40:08,670 --> 01:40:05,290
to run the world today are trying to

2184
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:08,680
seek communication in contact with these

2185
01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:11,280
ancient Anunnaki these ancient creator

2186
01:40:17,730 --> 01:40:15,580
ETS or number two they are already in

2187
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:17,740
contact with them and are being guided

2188
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:22,210
or controlled by them or number three

2189
01:40:29,580 --> 01:40:25,690
they are the ancient creators the

2190
01:40:31,859 --> 01:40:29,590
Anunnaki the these same people who have

2191
01:40:35,790 --> 01:40:31,869
incredible lifespans and some of them

2192
01:40:37,649 --> 01:40:35,800
may still be alive today so it's one of

2193
01:40:40,739 --> 01:40:37,659
those possibilities and I tend to lead

2194
01:40:44,219 --> 01:40:40,749
them towards that there are hybrids on

2195
01:40:48,109 --> 01:40:44,229
this world that are the result of the

2196
01:40:50,370 --> 01:40:48,119
hybridization between the original PT

2197
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:50,380
colonizers of the earth and then the

2198
01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:53,650
earth primitives and and they improve

2199
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:56,729
the breed to the point of having a

2200
01:41:02,189 --> 01:41:00,159
cro-magnon or modern man and that at the

2201
01:41:05,699 --> 01:41:02,199
very top of the food chain some of these

2202
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:05,709
people realized this as a reality and

2203
01:41:12,810 --> 01:41:09,130
are either in contact or want to be in

2204
01:41:14,819 --> 01:41:12,820
contact with the ancient creators and

2205
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:14,829
you're listening to epic voyages radio

2206
01:41:19,020 --> 01:41:16,570
live on inception radio network our

2207
01:41:24,930 --> 01:41:19,030
guest is Jim Mars author of alien agenda

2208
01:41:28,859 --> 01:41:24,940
and our occulted history and Jim what

2209
01:41:33,540 --> 01:41:28,869
you know if are you in the excuse me are

2210
01:41:38,779 --> 01:41:33,550
you in the camp of David Icke as far as

2211
01:41:42,359 --> 01:41:38,789
shape-shifting in this in this you know

2212
01:41:44,669 --> 01:41:42,369
hybridization or is it just you know

2213
01:41:50,129 --> 01:41:44,679
these are biological hybrids we can't

2214
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:50,139
tell the difference that's mostly in my

2215
01:41:55,949 --> 01:41:53,530
file I don't want to step out make some

2216
01:41:58,049 --> 01:41:55,959
statement here that I'm not entirely

2217
01:42:00,239 --> 01:41:58,059
sure of and I'm not entirely sure of all

2218
01:42:03,629 --> 01:42:00,249
that but I think the only difference

2219
01:42:06,620 --> 01:42:03,639
between me and David Icke is is that I

2220
01:42:09,359 --> 01:42:06,630
have had enough of a public relations

2221
01:42:11,850 --> 01:42:09,369
background that I don't think I'm gonna

2222
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:11,860
win too many friends and influence too

2223
01:42:16,620 --> 01:42:14,170
many people by calling the Queen Mother

2224
01:42:21,899 --> 01:42:16,630
of England a 200 year old reptilian

2225
01:42:24,029 --> 01:42:21,909
cannibal but having said that I'm not

2226
01:42:27,299 --> 01:42:24,039
prepared to say categorically that he's

2227
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:27,309
wrong I think we just need more

2228
01:42:32,219 --> 01:42:29,679
information in fact when I first heard

2229
01:42:35,110 --> 01:42:32,229
the story of shape-shifting reptilians I

2230
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:35,120
pretty well roll my eyes and kind of

2231
01:42:40,180 --> 01:42:37,280
I heard up my sleeve but I want to ke

2232
01:42:42,250 --> 01:42:40,190
something I have since had several

2233
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:42,260
experiences including maybe about a half

2234
01:42:46,270 --> 01:42:44,480
dozen people who come to me

2235
01:42:49,060 --> 01:42:46,280
you know unbeknownst to each other and

2236
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:49,070
told me some pretty incredible stories

2237
01:42:54,220 --> 01:42:51,920
and it makes me think that I don't think

2238
01:42:56,140 --> 01:42:54,230
all these people are just delusional I

2239
01:42:58,810 --> 01:42:56,150
think there's something going on there

2240
01:43:00,490 --> 01:42:58,820
but I'm not a position to try to tell

2241
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:00,500
somebody this is what it is because I'm

2242
01:43:06,910 --> 01:43:04,130
not sure myself what it is yeah I can't

2243
01:43:13,860 --> 01:43:06,920
rule out the possibility but I don't

2244
01:43:17,650 --> 01:43:13,870
sell evidence there yet supply yeah okay

2245
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:17,660
but one woman I talked to who claimed to

2246
01:43:25,420 --> 01:43:23,570
be one said that when you that you're

2247
01:43:26,980 --> 01:43:25,430
not born that other than you're born

2248
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:26,990
that way but you don't realize it until

2249
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:30,170
your teenage years at which time you

2250
01:43:35,170 --> 01:43:32,810
become aware of your connection to the

2251
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:35,180
reptilians kind of like the Borg I guess

2252
01:43:40,750 --> 01:43:37,520
you know a mastermind and that you're

2253
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:40,760
given the choice of joining them and

2254
01:43:45,670 --> 01:43:43,610
becoming one of them or turning your

2255
01:43:49,450 --> 01:43:45,680
back on it and saying no I think I'll

2256
01:43:52,660 --> 01:43:49,460
just stay human and this woman said that

2257
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:52,670
she decided she wouldn't stay human do

2258
01:43:58,030 --> 01:43:54,560
only thing do with it and at that point

2259
01:43:59,560 --> 01:43:58,040
normally she would have forgotten all

2260
01:44:01,990 --> 01:43:59,570
about that and would have gone on and

2261
01:44:04,650 --> 01:44:02,000
lived her life as a as a normal human

2262
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:04,660
being she said but because she had a

2263
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:08,480
teenage history of drug use and being

2264
01:44:13,780 --> 01:44:11,330
kind of a wild a child and and she

2265
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:13,790
thinks that her brain got kind of

2266
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:16,730
rewired and although she has remained

2267
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:21,520
human she is can still access the

2268
01:44:28,030 --> 01:44:25,310
reptilian board mind if you will and so

2269
01:44:30,670 --> 01:44:28,040
she knows that they are there and and

2270
01:44:32,860 --> 01:44:30,680
kind of what they're doing and you know

2271
01:44:35,050 --> 01:44:32,870
fascinating stuff I don't know I don't

2272
01:44:37,300 --> 01:44:35,060
know what to tell you other than that

2273
01:44:40,210 --> 01:44:37,310
there's I think there's some weird stuff

2274
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:40,220
going on that we don't know the truth

2275
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:45,440
about example for example another woman

2276
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:47,570
told me an experience she had in

2277
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:50,480
Texas with a good friend of hers that

2278
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:52,880
she saw shipped into a reptilian form

2279
01:44:57,580 --> 01:44:55,130
and the woman actually acknowledged that

2280
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,590
and said I'm sorry you saw it my the way

2281
01:45:01,330 --> 01:44:59,840
I really am and said you know you

2282
01:45:03,460 --> 01:45:01,340
weren't supposed to do that and I can't

2283
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:03,470
be friends with you anymore and so she

2284
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:05,330
tried to duck this woman for a long time

2285
01:45:08,980 --> 01:45:06,800
but she finally caught up with her and

2286
01:45:11,670 --> 01:45:08,990
asked her some questions and one of them

2287
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:11,680
was well how many of you are there and

2288
01:45:17,710 --> 01:45:14,480
the woman told her well not very many

2289
01:45:19,900 --> 01:45:17,720
okay but then as I asked this woman I'm

2290
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:19,910
talking to who had asked the question I

2291
01:45:23,380 --> 01:45:21,770
said well what do you think she meant

2292
01:45:25,630 --> 01:45:23,390
does she mean they're there weren't very

2293
01:45:28,060 --> 01:45:25,640
many in this little town where she lived

2294
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:28,070
or there's not very many in Texas or not

2295
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:29,690
there meaning the United States or it's

2296
01:45:33,730 --> 01:45:31,370
not very meaning in the world and Lauren

2297
01:45:35,710 --> 01:45:33,740
says I don't know I didn't know I didn't

2298
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:35,720
ask her any follow-up questions so we

2299
01:45:39,310 --> 01:45:37,280
don't know we don't know if that means

2300
01:45:41,230 --> 01:45:39,320
it's just one very many and there's one

2301
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:41,240
little Texas town or if there's not very

2302
01:45:47,460 --> 01:45:44,530
many in our world do I have another

2303
01:45:50,500 --> 01:45:47,470
question from the chat room

2304
01:45:53,380 --> 01:45:50,510
do you have any findings to support

2305
01:45:55,300 --> 01:45:53,390
William Lin's claims that the trilateral

2306
01:45:59,680 --> 01:45:55,310
group at the end of the Second World War

2307
01:46:01,690 --> 01:45:59,690
were up to no good well one thing the

2308
01:46:05,140 --> 01:46:01,700
trilateral commission was not formed

2309
01:46:09,010 --> 01:46:05,150
until 1973 they were around it in the

2310
01:46:13,540 --> 01:46:09,020
war or two and the trilateral group was

2311
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:13,550
formed by zbigniew brzezinski and David

2312
01:46:18,730 --> 01:46:16,400
Rockefeller as is really kind of a more

2313
01:46:21,310 --> 01:46:18,740
public extension of the more secretive

2314
01:46:23,230 --> 01:46:21,320
Council on Foreign Relations and the

2315
01:46:26,500 --> 01:46:23,240
main reason for it was to bring the

2316
01:46:29,140 --> 01:46:26,510
Asian economies in which is what trial

2317
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:29,150
stands for the trilateral it is Japan

2318
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:31,280
the economy of Japan North America and

2319
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:33,770
Europe so no I don't think the

2320
01:46:38,050 --> 01:46:36,080
trilateral commission hey they do that

2321
01:46:40,780 --> 01:46:38,060
but then David Rockefeller is a presence

2322
01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:40,790
key and many others particularly John J

2323
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:45,110
McCloy that does cetera that were

2324
01:46:48,570 --> 01:46:46,610
members of the Council on Foreign

2325
01:46:52,750 --> 01:46:48,580
Relations at the end of World War two

2326
01:46:54,820 --> 01:46:52,760
yes they they had designs on number one

2327
01:46:57,040 --> 01:46:54,830
trying to set up a one-world government

2328
01:46:59,410 --> 01:46:57,050
they were the same ones and their

2329
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:59,420
families were the same ones behind the

2330
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:01,199
effort to form the League of nation

2331
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:03,690
about the time of World War one and

2332
01:47:15,530 --> 01:47:12,650
the president United States was actually

2333
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:15,540
pushing for that in fact withdraw Wilson

2334
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:18,000
at Versailles was trying to get this

2335
01:47:22,850 --> 01:47:20,489
going and I almost think got it going

2336
01:47:24,380 --> 01:47:22,860
except for the United States Senate that

2337
01:47:26,510 --> 01:47:24,390
said I don't think we're ready to give

2338
01:47:27,919 --> 01:47:26,520
up our national sovereignty and they

2339
01:47:32,060 --> 01:47:27,929
wouldn't sign on for the League of

2340
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:32,070
Nations and so these one worlders formed

2341
01:47:37,250 --> 01:47:34,770
the Council on Foreign Relations and its

2342
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:37,260
sister organization the Royal Institute

2343
01:47:41,570 --> 01:47:39,360
of International Affairs right there at

2344
01:47:43,700 --> 01:47:41,580
the time of the Versailles Treaty and

2345
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:43,710
though the end of World War one for the

2346
01:47:48,890 --> 01:47:46,050
express purpose of conditioning the

2347
01:47:50,540 --> 01:47:48,900
public to one world government and then

2348
01:47:52,669 --> 01:47:50,550
they really made their headway during

2349
01:47:54,890 --> 01:47:52,679
World War two when the very same people

2350
01:47:58,459 --> 01:47:54,900
began to push the idea of the United

2351
01:48:00,050 --> 01:47:58,469
Nations and of course even towards the

2352
01:48:02,900 --> 01:48:00,060
end of the war and war still going on

2353
01:48:04,490 --> 01:48:02,910
but the ally early on it was the Allies

2354
01:48:06,350 --> 01:48:04,500
and by the end of the war they kept

2355
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:06,360
talking and referring to the United

2356
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:08,730
Nations and then of course they formed

2357
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:10,650
the United Nations and there's been a

2358
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:13,920
squabble over that ever since but yes

2359
01:48:19,450 --> 01:48:16,290
that's that's the same bunch and their

2360
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:19,460
same goal is to try to unify the world

2361
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:23,280
well Jim what can what can we do so

2362
01:48:26,180 --> 01:48:24,719
you're doing all this hard work you're

2363
01:48:27,260 --> 01:48:26,190
getting a lot of the evidence you're

2364
01:48:30,770 --> 01:48:27,270
gathering together you're writing these

2365
01:48:33,470 --> 01:48:30,780
great books but what can we do because

2366
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:33,480
the mass media is not going to run with

2367
01:48:38,930 --> 01:48:35,250
this we know that at least for now well

2368
01:48:41,060 --> 01:48:38,940
they want to change but the mass media

2369
01:48:43,550 --> 01:48:41,070
can't tell you any of this stuff because

2370
01:48:45,740 --> 01:48:43,560
they are owned and controlled by these

2371
01:48:47,419 --> 01:48:45,750
very people that's where they really

2372
01:48:51,740 --> 01:48:47,429
that's where they really have an upper

2373
01:48:54,350 --> 01:48:51,750
hand because they control the attention

2374
01:48:56,270 --> 01:48:54,360
span of the public okay they can't

2375
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:56,280
really tell you how to think but they

2376
01:49:00,290 --> 01:48:57,840
can certainly tell you what to think

2377
01:49:03,169 --> 01:49:00,300
about okay and they keep us distracted

2378
01:49:04,820 --> 01:49:03,179
and you know off worrying about Isis and

2379
01:49:09,979 --> 01:49:04,830
worrying about this that the other thing

2380
01:49:13,850 --> 01:49:09,989
and plus divided and fight with each

2381
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:13,860
other over sex matters safe same-sex

2382
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:14,449
marriage

2383
01:49:20,199 --> 01:49:17,840
agent stem cell research and racial

2384
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:20,209
matters ethnic manner anything they can

2385
01:49:24,489 --> 01:49:22,130
to keep us fighting with each other so

2386
01:49:27,370 --> 01:49:24,499
what do we do okay well again let me

2387
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:27,380
reiterate I am NOT asking for anybody's

2388
01:49:32,529 --> 01:49:29,570
beliefs but read my books particularly

2389
01:49:34,509 --> 01:49:32,539
read my new book the being out at the

2390
01:49:37,359 --> 01:49:34,519
end of this month called population

2391
01:49:40,299 --> 01:49:37,369
control how corporate owners are killing

2392
01:49:42,609 --> 01:49:40,309
us okay now you need to read about what

2393
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:42,619
all is in the food what's in the water

2394
01:49:48,129 --> 01:49:44,690
what's in the aspartame what's in the

2395
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:48,139
the fluoride what's in the the

2396
01:49:54,069 --> 01:49:51,440
herbicides the bad air bad water bad

2397
01:49:56,620 --> 01:49:54,079
food all of this and basically it's to

2398
01:49:57,129 --> 01:49:56,630
call the population now what can you do

2399
01:49:58,750 --> 01:49:57,139
about it

2400
01:50:00,459 --> 01:49:58,760
well you can't change the national

2401
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:00,469
government and you can't change some of

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01:50:05,979 --> 01:50:02,690
those giant corporations but what you

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01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:05,989
can do is educate yourself as to what

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01:50:11,620 --> 01:50:08,090
the true issues are and then act

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01:50:13,390 --> 01:50:11,630
accordingly grow yourself a garden so

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01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:13,400
you have your own garden vegetables and

2407
01:50:17,379 --> 01:50:15,530
you don't have to worry about GMO you

2408
01:50:20,500 --> 01:50:17,389
don't have to worry about Monsanto's

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01:50:23,319 --> 01:50:20,510
Roundup herbicide that is now being

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01:50:26,169 --> 01:50:23,329
outlawed everywhere but here because it

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01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:26,179
causes cancer among other things you

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01:50:32,049 --> 01:50:29,090
know and so keep yourself informed by

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01:50:33,399 --> 01:50:32,059
organic materials start it get away from

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01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:33,409
the drugs and I'm not talking about

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01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:35,449
illegal drugs if you think we have a

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01:50:39,609 --> 01:50:37,130
problem with the illegal drugs you ought

2417
01:50:41,949 --> 01:50:39,619
to see what kind of problem and with

2418
01:50:44,830 --> 01:50:41,959
legal drugs it used to be against the

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01:50:47,500 --> 01:50:44,840
law to advertise drugs on TV but today

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01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:47,510
if you watch broadcast TV if they're not

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01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:49,489
selling your car truck that's only a

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01:50:54,100 --> 01:50:52,400
drug okay and figure out what these

2423
01:50:56,290 --> 01:50:54,110
drugs are actually doing for don't

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01:50:59,080 --> 01:50:56,300
listen to the advertisers were the

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01:51:02,199 --> 01:50:59,090
pretty girls you know flitting through

2426
01:51:03,879 --> 01:51:02,209
the field full of flowers and start

2427
01:51:06,819 --> 01:51:03,889
listening to all this stuff about if you

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01:51:09,969 --> 01:51:06,829
take this and it'll cause this this this

2429
01:51:11,949 --> 01:51:09,979
this and the death you know and start

2430
01:51:17,529 --> 01:51:11,959
paying attention educate yourself and

2431
01:51:19,390 --> 01:51:17,539
just say no that's good advice you know

2432
01:51:22,419 --> 01:51:19,400
that's something that we can't really do

2433
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:22,429
ourselves yeah when they say let's go

2434
01:51:28,130 --> 01:51:25,679
have a war with Iran just say no

2435
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:28,140
do that you know in fact let me tell you

2436
01:51:32,959 --> 01:51:29,760
something here's my here's my solution

2437
01:51:37,310 --> 01:51:32,969
for timbo war okay and I'm saying two

2438
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:37,320
words stay home if everybody stayed home

2439
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:40,890
it wouldn't be a war well yeah but there

2440
01:51:46,490 --> 01:51:43,530
was an attempt to do that in the 60s and

2441
01:51:51,740 --> 01:51:46,500
you know how that went down and and it

2442
01:51:53,870 --> 01:51:51,750
kind of worked I mean it was but yeah

2443
01:51:56,180 --> 01:51:53,880
but but the thing is with you know the

2444
01:51:58,939 --> 01:51:56,190
with as far as conspiracy theories and

2445
01:52:03,169 --> 01:51:58,949
an alien presence and ancient aliens

2446
01:52:04,700 --> 01:52:03,179
this is all information you know organic

2447
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:04,710
food and that sort of thing I can do

2448
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:06,449
that myself I can I can learn about it I

2449
01:52:13,630 --> 01:52:10,080
can take care of it but this overarching

2450
01:52:15,770 --> 01:52:13,640
issue of who's really behind everything

2451
01:52:19,100 --> 01:52:15,780
if the mainstream media is not gonna

2452
01:52:23,390 --> 01:52:19,110
touch it then how how do we make a

2453
01:52:26,419 --> 01:52:23,400
change how do we open that box well

2454
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:26,429
that's when you have to study and read

2455
01:52:30,260 --> 01:52:27,690
on your own

2456
01:52:32,450 --> 01:52:30,270
okay read my books read other people's

2457
01:52:35,060 --> 01:52:32,460
books get on the internet surf all

2458
01:52:37,790 --> 01:52:35,070
around there's lots of answers of course

2459
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:37,800
now here's my here's my warning about

2460
01:52:42,979 --> 01:52:40,650
the Internet the outside of the Internet

2461
01:52:45,979 --> 01:52:42,989
is that anybody and everybody has access

2462
01:52:48,620 --> 01:52:45,989
to the Internet the downside is that

2463
01:52:49,220 --> 01:52:48,630
anybody and everybody has access to the

2464
01:52:51,649 --> 01:52:49,230
Internet

2465
01:52:53,540 --> 01:52:51,659
so you have to be discerning you have to

2466
01:52:55,729 --> 01:52:53,550
really just look over everything and

2467
01:52:57,919 --> 01:52:55,739
don't buy into every little thing that

2468
01:53:00,290 --> 01:52:57,929
comes along but then don't just discard

2469
01:53:02,630 --> 01:53:00,300
it either just study you start thinking

2470
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:02,640
for yourself use that god-given computer

2471
01:53:07,130 --> 01:53:05,130
in your head called a brain and then and

2472
01:53:09,050 --> 01:53:07,140
like number one when you read something

2473
01:53:10,700 --> 01:53:09,060
and some statement you know all they're

2474
01:53:13,399 --> 01:53:10,710
doing this or we got to do this or

2475
01:53:16,250 --> 01:53:13,409
whatever I stop ask yourself who's

2476
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:16,260
saying that and what reason what is

2477
01:53:20,209 --> 01:53:18,690
their motivation for saying that you

2478
01:53:22,399 --> 01:53:20,219
know and if you get somebody that says

2479
01:53:24,350 --> 01:53:22,409
oh we need to build more new plants and

2480
01:53:26,270 --> 01:53:24,360
then you find out that they're a member

2481
01:53:28,820 --> 01:53:26,280
of the atomic industrial forum which is

2482
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:28,830
a pro industry organization then you

2483
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:30,330
know where they're coming from they and

2484
01:53:32,419 --> 01:53:31,770
it more build more new plants because

2485
01:53:34,850 --> 01:53:32,429
this and then

2486
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:34,860
good money because you don't certainly

2487
01:53:38,959 --> 01:53:37,170
want to buy into that yeah yeah it comes

2488
01:53:39,379 --> 01:53:38,969
full circle because the education is not

2489
01:53:41,540 --> 01:53:39,389
there

2490
01:53:42,979 --> 01:53:41,550
do you know me exactl thinking is not

2491
01:53:45,229 --> 01:53:42,989
something that's really taught in

2492
01:53:47,569 --> 01:53:45,239
schools I mean it was less so enough

2493
01:53:50,060 --> 01:53:47,579
that's why exactly and that's why you

2494
01:53:52,459 --> 01:53:50,070
got to do that on your own you got study

2495
01:53:55,250 --> 01:53:52,469
on your own here's the thing if you can

2496
01:53:58,100 --> 01:53:55,260
read at all then you're a hit a game

2497
01:54:00,259 --> 01:53:58,110
because you can get online or you can go

2498
01:54:02,449 --> 01:54:00,269
to the library and you've read on any

2499
01:54:04,250 --> 01:54:02,459
topic you want if you want to go into

2500
01:54:06,319 --> 01:54:04,260
history if you want to go into physics

2501
01:54:08,959 --> 01:54:06,329
if you want to go into anything if you

2502
01:54:11,449 --> 01:54:08,969
can read just seriously apply yourself

2503
01:54:14,689 --> 01:54:11,459
read the material delve into the subject

2504
01:54:17,029 --> 01:54:14,699
until you feel like you have a working

2505
01:54:19,580 --> 01:54:17,039
knowledge of that and then that is the

2506
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:19,590
road to wisdom the road to wisdom is

2507
01:54:25,850 --> 01:54:23,280
education balanced with experience and

2508
01:54:28,489 --> 01:54:25,860
so if you can get a little experience

2509
01:54:31,790 --> 01:54:28,499
and study at the same time you're going

2510
01:54:33,850 --> 01:54:31,800
to become wise so Jim do you have

2511
01:54:39,229 --> 01:54:33,860
anything coming up as far as talks or

2512
01:54:41,179 --> 01:54:39,239
presentations conferences in October I'm

2513
01:54:44,270 --> 01:54:41,189
going to New Orleans for our king of the

2514
01:54:48,020 --> 01:54:44,280
assassination type thing but oh and then

2515
01:54:51,500 --> 01:54:48,030
I may be going to Toronto and early

2516
01:54:53,449 --> 01:54:51,510
October to speak up there those people

2517
01:55:02,089 --> 01:54:53,459
are really awake they're really going

2518
01:55:04,850 --> 01:55:02,099
after it and no but until then I guess

2519
01:55:08,750 --> 01:55:04,860
I'm mostly focusing on promoting the new

2520
01:55:10,399 --> 01:55:08,760
book population control and I think it's

2521
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:10,409
really really important for people to

2522
01:55:14,689 --> 01:55:12,239
read the information in population

2523
01:55:18,949 --> 01:55:14,699
control because I think that we are

2524
01:55:23,060 --> 01:55:18,959
getting past the politics that passed

2525
01:55:25,069 --> 01:55:23,070
the theologies I think it's becoming a

2526
01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:25,079
matter of self preservation

2527
01:55:29,029 --> 01:55:27,599
if you want to survive stop it right

2528
01:55:31,279 --> 01:55:29,039
there we are getting to the end of the

2529
01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:31,289
show thank you so much for being on the

2530
01:55:36,830 --> 01:55:33,209
show Jim everybody should check out his

2531
01:55:38,540 --> 01:55:36,840
books Jim Marrs dot-com actually dr.

2532
01:55:40,699 --> 01:55:38,550
Laura Blythe tag July 6 we'll be

2533
01:55:42,439 --> 01:55:40,709
interviewing on his new book population

2534
01:55:43,259 --> 01:55:42,449
control how corporate owners are killing

2535
01:55:47,699 --> 01:55:43,269
us

2536
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:47,709
dr. Aaron Judkins with Jason Offutt book

2537
01:55:53,339 --> 01:55:50,320
what lurks beyond the paranormal in your

2538
01:55:54,719 --> 01:55:53,349
backyard and Jim again thank you so much

2539
01:55:57,839 --> 01:55:54,729
and have a wonderful evening

2540
01:56:00,060 --> 01:55:57,849
Thank You Alan you're not everyone all

2541
01:56:01,799 --> 01:56:00,070
right cheers B woman all right so that's

2542
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:01,809
it for epic voyages radio tonight thank

2543
01:56:06,029 --> 01:56:03,130
you for everybody in the chat rooms

2544
01:56:06,779 --> 01:56:06,039
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2545
01:56:08,580 --> 01:56:06,789
for joining us

2546
01:56:11,850 --> 01:56:08,590
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01:56:15,390 --> 01:56:11,860
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01:56:17,549 --> 01:56:15,400
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01:56:19,259 --> 01:56:17,559
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2555
01:56:36,010 --> 01:56:33,159
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2556
01:56:37,380 --> 01:56:36,020
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2557
01:56:43,730 --> 01:56:37,390
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2558
01:56:45,750 --> 01:56:43,740
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2559
01:56:48,180 --> 01:56:45,760
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2560
01:56:49,650 --> 01:56:48,190
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